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Offline BenDover

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2003, 07:18:17 AM »
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after getting 7 hard earned kills in my Spit,


No one's noticed this oxymoron yet? :p

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2003, 07:44:59 AM »
LOL Ben... navel warfare at your site ?? :)

Is it "navel vs navel" (rated XXX) or warfare within one's own navel? :D


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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2003, 08:00:22 AM »
ermm, that was a typo, thought I changed it?

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2003, 11:24:27 AM »
JOC,
Basing my assumptions on the other thread in this BBs, I am thinking that no matter where you landed on the field, Jackal would get a GV and proceed to push you off the field perimeter, thus you would still get a "ditched " landing. So I suggest you deal with the "Jackal Problem" first :)

Sugar in the fuel tanks works good....just saying....




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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2003, 01:59:18 PM »
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Consider this:

"A perk plane (e.g. Me262) is rtbing with 5 kills and runs out of fuel just before runway. Its engine stops and magically the plane now glides too fast to stop in time before the runway ends..."


Sure, because the engines fail, the landing get's long :rolleyes:

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-"Landed" result only from landing on the wheels. Belly/crash landing anywhere would always be a ditch.


That's a bit too limited. Grant "Landed" if the plane does not take additional damage by ground contact.

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-Perk points would be lost only if one cannot exit the plane (landed or ditched) inside a frindly base perimeter.


Perk points lost if it's not landed.

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2003, 02:38:25 PM »
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Originally posted by Nwbie
JOC,
Basing my assumptions on the other thread in this BBs, I am thinking that no matter where you landed on the field, Jackal would get a GV and proceed to push you off the field perimeter, thus you would still get a "ditched " landing. So I suggest you deal with the "Jackal Problem" first :)

Sugar in the fuel tanks works good....just saying....




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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2003, 03:58:59 PM »
LOL,no,please DONT give Jackal any more bloody ideas,my life is a misery with him now as it is!:mad:
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2003, 04:59:39 PM »
LOL :D
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2003, 09:14:11 AM »
I have to say i find this overshooting problem quite strange.It seems to be a FM bug to me rather than a modelled result.ive heard many theories as to why in AH when your engine is shot out your landing and stopping distances are greatly increased:

1. the propellor drag is reduced
2. the brakes now have no power and so work less efficiently
3. with no wash from props the flaps and elevators have less authority and so produce less drag
4. combination of all of above :)

the propellor causing less drag im not sure about but i would have thought a stopped propellor in a pitch that bites the wind would cause a great deal of drag but im not sure if this would be less or more than an idleing but spinning prop of the same configeration.
Brakes having less power seems to make sense but were they electrically operated in most aircraft? I know a lot of LW planes were but even with this being the case wouldnt the batteries hold enough charge to operate an electrically operated hydrolic system?
wash from the props must have an effect on the surfaces of flaps and elevators set in a position against its flow but again i cant see it being so pronounced as in AH.
combination of all these? who knows it could be i guess.The brakes loosing power sounds the most likely to me but there is still the strange way the aircraft seems to glide much better when the engines stop. happens sometimes after oil is hit i find.Anyone else notice it?

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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2003, 11:01:19 AM »
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I know a lot of LW planes were but even with this being the case wouldnt the batteries hold enough charge to operate an electrically operated hydrolic system?


For Lavochkins the brakes were pneumatic from an 8 litre  resevoir charged at 150 bar (air system reduced to 35 bar) the gun clearing, bomb release, engine starting were fed from this...as was emergency undercarriage lowering.

Undercarriage and flaps were hydraulic which used  the same engine driven pump as the engine lubriction system. Hence engine out meant the La's had no flap control.

However the oil circuitry was such that they could be allowed to drop under their own weight if speed was low enough (which would be lower than the speed at which they would be normally powered down) of little use in reality I fear.

In summary for La's at least.............. engine out should disable the flaps and nothing else apart from maybe increasing the time to lower the gear and weakening its ability to fully lock down (gear had both hydraulic and mechincal locks)
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2003, 08:22:56 PM »
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Originally posted by rshubert
I am a history channel/wings channel junkie, and one thing I have noticd is that many ww2 airbases didn't even HAVE runways.  How many times have we all seen the pictures of the spits and hurries taking off, line abreast, across the unpaved field during the battle of Britain?  Heck, the original tests of the taildragger me262 were on a grass field!

I guess my point is that landings that end up off the pavement should not be ditches if they are on the airport property.  But that's only my opinion.  I do think that belly landings should be ditches, on or off the airport, since the a/c would not usually be repairable.

Exactly!!

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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2003, 08:30:11 PM »
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So if a guy in WWII scored 5 kills and lands his plane back at his base, slides off runway because of damage, or what have you, they took his 5 kills away from him?

Silly.

On the field is on the field.  For that matter, any landing a pilot walks away from alive "counts".  But, since we want to try to limit something in the game, anything "ON" the field should count as long as you don't crash and burn.

Well Put Warp.
The key to this issue is the word "Ditch"  What does it mean?
In real life i would think it means if a pilots plane gits hit and he manages to crash land it. Belly, Wheels down or not. Or on its frikin Canopy. He then Leaves the Aircraft as to not get captured by the NME. Thats "Ditching" the Craft.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2003, 08:47:36 PM »
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in AH you don't "lose" your kills when you ditch, you just don't get the "eleet landed 25 kills in a lala7" msg to tell everyone how "bad" you is.

Kinda True.
Actually the problem is that you points multiplier Is reduced from 1.0  to  .75
Also if your in a perk plane you lose a portion of your perks you paid out for the plane.