Guns do not cause crime - liberals do

[ra]

Democrats tend to support higher wages where repubs tend to support lower wages.

Democrats tend to support government edict where Republicans tend to support free markets.

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[Sixpence]

Originally posted by lazs2
The reason that the young, the union members, the minorities  and the poor vote democrat is.... because they are the ones most likely to feel that they will get something for nothing... they are also the ones least likely to want to blame themselves for their situation... human nature... they are also the most familiar with entitlements.
lazs

When I was 16 I got a job working for the Fore River Railroad. They were a small company that bought out a piece of Conrail that ran through the Fore river shipyard and through braintree. We had no heavy equipment and everything had to be done by hand. We had 80lbs digging bars with pigs feet at the end to pry out the old spikes. We had what were like ice tongs to carry away the old rail away.To drive the new spikes we had to guys sit on digging bars to hold the tie and plate to the rail.  2 other guys would drive the spikes by hand half way, then another guy with a jackhammer(special bit) would drive them the rest of the way. It was chain gang work in a nutshell(but good pay)

At one point we worked 30 days straight and we worked 12-14 hour days. I got burns from the creosote on the ties(the sun would hit it and it would burn your skin) The track had to be done by the winter. I took home almost $800 one week. I was the oldest and mom didn't have much money so a good chunk of it went to her. We all got new clothes for school out of the deal.

Worked as a loborer for a long time and then put up fences(chain link & wood). At 30 I took the post office exam(should have done that a long time ago!) My money says I worked harder than you by the age of 20 than you have your whole life. Laborers, carpenters, masons, electricians, ironworkers, pipefitters...something for nothing? Sorry they built this country with their bare hands.  Something for nothing? I think that would be the execs at Enron who are stealing people's pensions. Also the ones who are most likely to vote republican.

BTW, I've not collected one unemplyment check in my life. During the recession back in '91', I traveled to Jax, fl. to work(we had 10% unemployment and couldn't buy a job here)

Sell that garbage somewhere else plz.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by cpxxx
If the poor and badly educated are the most violent? Wouldn't it be a good idea at the very least improve the education system so that they can get jobs and stop being poor so that one day they can grow up and buy a gun to protect their home from the poorly educated.  

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It would indeed be a good idea. The inability to enforce discipline in public schools, especially inner city schools, is a very big reason why kids aren't learning and good teachers are getting harder and harder to find. I blame the libs, so as Johnny Storm usta say, flame on!

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by AKIron
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 The inability to enforce discipline in public schools, especially inner city schools, is a very big reason why kids aren't learning and good teachers are getting harder and harder to find.  

We had a clone of Dick Butcus as vice principal, his footsteps would strike fear in us.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Wlfgng
cpxxx it was for beetle

besides, they still are NOT the SAFEST places..



 
amen

Hehe Wolfgang. I've joined this thread late, but a couple of observations - already noted by some. Big though the US may be, it is not the biggest country on the planet and is not representative of the rest of the world. It has only 5% of the world's population, and its land area as a proportion of the earth's surface is minute. Looking at the map on the first post, it is clear that the original argument pertains to the US, and to no other country. So the "argument", if I may call it that, is skewed by incomplete data from the start.

As for "guns not killing people, only people kill people", it's a hollow argument when one looks at crime patterns in countries where there are far fewer privately owned guns. Lazs is right and the gun crime amongst poor black areas is much, much higher than in middle class white suburbia. Just look at Chicago! Many (about 20) years ago, I saw a British TV documentary about the Cook County Hospital, a hospital to which you can go even without medical insurance, and few poor blacks have got Blue Cross/Blue Shield as I had, along with probably most Americans reading this. In 1980 I lived in Chicago - correction: I lived in the middle class white suburb of Mount Prospect, and I could relate to what was said in the documentary. And one of the startling facts presented was that the most common form of complication amongst pregnant women was not excessive water retention or an ectopic condition. It was gunshot wounds.

It's simple. For gun crime to be possible, there has to be a gun. So the more guns, the more gun crime. Socially deprived areas of ethnic minorities are not strictly an American phoenomenon. We have them here in Britain. But what we don't have is the guns to go with it. Figuratively speaking, we have the powder keg but fewer sparks. And we don't have thousands and thousands of people killed by guns each year. The annual tally is something between 50 and 75. If we had no guns at all, this figure would be zero.

That would leave "sharp objects"! But because of their cumbersome nature, a gun is the preferred weapon of choice for someone who wants to do someone else in. Besides. The TOTAL number of murders in Britain each year is around 700-800 - far less than just the gun related homicides in America.

If we were to allow the proliferation of privately owned guns here, then like America we would have thousands of gun homicides. (And most would be in socially deprived areas/ethnic minorities. Suburbs and the rural areas would be largely unaffected) But we haven't, and so we don't.

Got to rush - Mum is expecting us for Easter, so...

Toodle-Pip with an egg on it!