Author Topic: La7 Offset suggestion (Read 1564 times)

Elysian · « **Reply #30 on:** April 17, 2003, 01:38:37 PM »

As much as I *hate* that plane, I do think newbies need something fast and forgiving to cut their teeth in. Most noobs aren't going to take the time to climb past 8k either, the plane is more or less perfect for the beginner.

I do hate them though.... hate them!

Hap · « **Reply #31 on:** April 17, 2003, 01:47:11 PM »

i must have missed something when i was a noob. i never flew any laffers.

Elysian · « **Reply #32 on:** April 17, 2003, 01:50:19 PM »

Hehe, I flew them shamelessly. Was a great set of training-wheels.

WldThing · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2003, 02:06:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Elysian
Hehe, I flew them shamelessly. Was a great set of training-wheels.

Aye!

wetrat · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2003, 02:11:50 PM »

I'm all for unperking everything but the 163 and 262... but then instead of dweebs flying 4 or 5 planes which are marginally better than the "lesser" ones, everyone would be flying tempest's, spit14's, and f4u4's, which make more than half the planeset obsolete.

AcidFunk · « **Reply #35 on:** April 17, 2003, 02:24:20 PM »

Hmmm. To perk or not to perk. That is the question, eh?
I say keep the LA7 unperked. Infact instead trying to make it perked why not just increase the value of it. For Example, make it a 12 or 10 point plane instead of a 15 point plane.
If for any reason that the LA7 is to be perked, then I strongly believe that the Spit IX and the N1K should perked with it aswell. The LA7 is a good plane but I think the pilot is what makes it an even more of a lethal plane. If the LA7 was ever to be perked I don't think that many people would actually pay the point's to fly it. It maybe a fast plane and have a nice ammo load out, but I would rather fly a Yak that is not perked.

*DigWeed

Peace out!

Pongo · « **Reply #36 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:10:26 PM »

If there was any evidence either from kill results in AH or from the actually charicteristcs of the La7 vs the other planes to support perking it..it would have been long ago.
But there of course is not. To say the Tempest and La7 are equal is silly. The Tempest has range, view, firepower and good looks advantages on the La7. I think they are close in speed right on the deck.
Not supprisingly the La7 has a 1 to 3 kill to death vs the Tempest this tour. Just like the Typhoon and the Spit IX and the 190D9 do.
Those planes are all rated simularly in the game and perform simularly against the Tempest.
War isnt fair. There has to be some plane that is the fastest non perk ride on the deck and its the La7. Big deal. You make the tempest the fastest non perk ride on the deck and you have also made a great Fighter bomber, with excellent range and excellent fire power and excellent views from the cockpit and excellent robustness the fastest non perk plane on the deck.
So, silly recomendation to solve a problem that doenst exist.

Pongo · « **Reply #37 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:10:27 PM »

If there was any evidence either from kill results in AH or from the actually charicteristcs of the La7 vs the other planes to support perking it..it would have been long ago.
But there of course is not. To say the Tempest and La7 are equal is silly. The Tempest has range, view, firepower and good looks advantages on the La7. I think they are close in speed right on the deck.
Not supprisingly the La7 has a 1 to 3 kill to death vs the Tempest this tour. Just like the Typhoon and the Spit IX and the 190D9 do.
Those planes are all rated simularly in the game and perform simularly against the Tempest.
War isnt fair. There has to be some plane that is the fastest non perk ride on the deck and its the La7. Big deal. You make the tempest the fastest non perk ride on the deck and you have also made a great Fighter bomber, with excellent range and excellent fire power and excellent views from the cockpit and excellent robustness the fastest non perk plane on the deck.
So, silly recomendation to solve a problem that doenst exist.

SlapShot · « **Reply #38 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:55:05 PM »

"If you are in a Spit 14, an F4U4, or God forbid a Ta-152, you can't hurt an La-7 unless he screws up."

Urchin, you know as well as most, this is always the case for any A2A situation. The one that screws up is the one that dies. Pilots like Lev and Mathman prove it all the time. Its not just the plane ... its mostly the pilot.

"He can joust, make a pass, extend out 3,000 yards and turn around for another joust. You can't just say, "Aw screw this" and leave... because the La-7 is faster."

Sounds very similar to the 109 / 190 / P51 mentality also.

"The F4U-4 can get away from a La-7 (if it starts with a big enough head start to run the La-7 out of WEP), the other two don't have a chance."

I disagree ... the Spit XIV with the same head start will stay out in front of the La-7.

"Most La-7 pilots aren't stupid. They realize they aren't very good at fighting, or they'd be in a plane that can fight."

The La-7 CAN fight, in the right hands, and this is what really pisses people off.

"So they do jousts, or camp out above and behind you and wait for 4 or 5 friends to engage before they'll take off their dress and get dirty with the rest of the kids."

Again ... its sounds very simlar to the majority of the 109 / 190 / P51 crowd.

"So your choice, if you choose to fly a perk plane (and even the Tempest) is to fly at 30k where you don't have to worry about La-7s diving on you with a 1-2k alt advantage (which is all they need to run down any prop plane) and forcing you to turn back into the conga line chasing you, or ... to just fly an La-7."

Yup ... nothing pisses off a 109 and 190 flyer when they are forced to turn and fight.

La-7s suck at altitudes greater than 10K so you could come down quite a bit from that 30K perch, but I very rarely see La-7s above 10K. They are usually down on the deck screwing up some BnZer who made a mistake. I very rarely take my La-7 above 6K ... no reason to ... they will come to you and most will eventually make a mistake (impatience).

g00b · « **Reply #39 on:** April 17, 2003, 04:19:45 PM »

Anyone who really has problems with LA-7's on a regular basis qualifies as a n00b. Let me repeat that, if you really hate the LA7 you are a n00b!!!!!!!!!!

I fly the LA-7 alot, I'm pretty good with it, currently 5.6 K/D and over 5.0 skill ratio by innomin8's stats. KBMAN and I will go out and just clean house in LA7's. But the serious sticks here regularly hand me my ass, flying Spits, P38's, F4U's, etc... Encountering any good Spit pilot who has a bit of E or alt advantage spells death for LA-7's. Engaging over 10k spells death for the LA7 against many planes. The only people who have problems are those who let the LA7 dictate the terms of engagement. Probably the same people who whine about HO's. I like to fly right at 8K, and just let people come at me, a couple of evasives and I'm on 'em, and listen to em whine about how impossible it should have been for me to catch them. HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.

If the LA7 were to be perked, you'd have to perk some other aircraft as well. P51-D, Spit IX, FW-190 D-9, maybe even the Typhoon.

Which I am not entirely oposed to... at least then there would be a bit more variation in what people fly. But honestly, the balance is good right now, not much reason to change it.

One more time, only n00bs fear the LA7.

vorticon · « **Reply #40 on:** April 17, 2003, 04:21:31 PM »

la7 is a pthetic waste of materials...not difficult to down at all

moot · « **Reply #41 on:** April 17, 2003, 04:44:10 PM »

you know as well as most, this is always the case for any A2A situation. The one that screws up is the one that dies. Pilots like Lev and Mathman prove it all the time. Its not just the plane ... its mostly the pilot.

This is a comparison of planes, not pilots only nor pilot+plane+MA, just planes, so pilots are considered equal, and so the only way to outfly the la7 as such in a 152 is for the La7 to make a mistake. without the pilot to make the mistake it's pretty much cooked.

152 isn't so bad that it can't live without a mistake from La7.

La7 will kill you easily if you bend over for it, what gets annoying is when you are doing everything right in a "hard" plane, and La7+N1K+A6M(white pos of course)+spit show up with marginal E and alt and acm advantage but have to make barely any effort to eventually kill you-not making any mistake.

HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.
you're not there.

La7 cant be perked for all of its altitude performance, so the D9 or P51 can't be either for their weak alts.

SirLoin · « **Reply #42 on:** April 17, 2003, 05:32:51 PM »

Perk the KI-84.

SlapShot · « **Reply #43 on:** April 17, 2003, 06:49:09 PM »

"This is a comparison of planes, not pilots only nor pilot+plane+MA, just planes, so pilots are considered equal, and so the only way to outfly the la7 as such in a 152 is for the La7 to make a mistake. without the pilot to make the mistake it's pretty much cooked."

I don't believe that you can make a just comparison without taking into consideration the pilot. A WWII plane will not leave the ground without one.

La7 will kill you easily if you bend over for it, what gets annoying is when you are doing everything right in a "hard" plane, and La7+N1K+A6M(white pos of course)+spit show up with marginal E and alt and acm advantage but have to make barely any effort to eventually kill you-not making any mistake.

Let me rephrase that for you ....

La7 will kill you easily if you bend over for it, what gets annoying is when you are doing everything right in a "hard" plane, and show up with marginal E and alt and acm advantage but have to make barely any effort to eventually kill you-not making any mistake.

This example will be true for any combination of planes that you wish to insert. It really has nothing to do with the La-7.

HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.

you're not there.

And thats his fault ? He's not playing the game the way people would like him to, so let's take his ride away from him.

Drunky · « **Reply #44 on:** April 17, 2003, 07:11:58 PM »

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Originally posted by moot

HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.

PERK MOOT

hehehe...love ya bud