I dedicate this song to our French and German friends

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by fffreeze220
Grunherz dp u think there are people who gives a **** about how powerfull their country is ?
I do. I give a ****ing **** about if the german goverment is pro or con war. I give a **** about if Germany has a strong millitary or not. I give a **** about what the hell they do in the world. All i care about is that my personal life is doing good.

In my opinion the reason why many americans speak like some people here in the board. I dont wanna call names.
Is that they getting pushed from the earliest days with patriostism. They getting told that they life in the best country in the world and that their society has no match around the world.

Thats a big problem in my opinion. I am not patriotic. I am pretty sure not many germans are patriotic. I dont care if Germany falls to dust tomorow. Then i would move to the next country i like.

But these overwhelming patriotism some US people show close their eyes for other point of views. And i am pretty sure it alos pushes the feeling that all the other people (outside) are worse anyway in their way of life.

Thats highly dangerous. Its a big problem because it creates a lot of hate and disliking that isnt necessary.

This is not meant personal. Its just a statement. So dont feel offended.

Thank you for summing up everything that is wrong with so many small minded, shortsigted, selfish, self-centered europeans today.... You guys take no pride in your countries and culture and actually seem to hate them - no wonder you are defacto supporters of Saddam Hussein and the terrorists who want to destroy the west.

[fffreeze220]

Rofl Grunherz. Sure i am supporting Saddam. I sold him all my water pistols.
Uhhh should i be scared for the FBI or CIA now ?
Maybe USA will hunt me down with cruise missiles eh ?

[GRUNHERZ]

You are suporting saddam by not acring about t=he threat he poses. Not to worry though, as usual he USa ansd UK have protected europe while the french and germans are off making trouble...

Let me ask you this freezeee  and be honest in your answer. Would you even care if there was a 911 style terrorist attack on Germany? I dont see how you could in light of your post...

As for the cruise mislles, I can only hope..

[Boroda]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are suporting saddam by not acring about t=he threat he poses. Not to worry though, as usual he USa ansd UK have protected europe while the french and germans are off making trouble...

For months now I can't sleep, wondering what threat the Iraqi regime was to the "free world".

What an evil regime... Nationalized oil industry. How did they dare!?

I don't think it's a coincidence that all "evil tyrants" (by American definition) nationalised their oil, kicking foreign companies out of their countries. Assosiating "freedom" for someone with economical and political benefits for monopolies isn't new.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Boroda
For months now I can't sleep, wondering what threat the Iraqi regime was to the "free world".

I suppose you think that the ruthless war with Iran, the brutal invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, and the gassing of the Kurds were just western propaganda?

There have been terrorists training camps discovered near Baghdad. I suppose you think that's all just western propaganda too.

Will you be like Blitz and claim that the US has planted any WMD that will be discovered?

I want to ask you a serious question Boroda. Would you prefer communism over your current political/economic government/situation?

[Habu]

So like using commercial killing equipment to kill people instead of livestock isn't evil?

Having a dungeon in a home in a residental street where people had been kept for years with no toilet windows or ventilation is not evil? And all the people who were kept there are dead also.

Killing millions of dissidents (and takeing a nice little picture of their face for postarity just before you killed them) isn't evil?

But the USA is evil. Right?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by AKIron
I suppose you think that the ruthless war with Iran, the brutal invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, and the gassing of the Kurds were just western propaganda?

War with Iran was sponsored by your government, it's not a secret. Iranian students needed revenge. Gassing Kurds - well, I have read some things about it, and it seems to me that Western point of view on that sad event is... hmmm... biased. Chemical weapons are a very dangerous thing that only insane people can use, but there are some nuances.

As for Kuwait invasion - it was a bold and open agression, and Iraq payed for it.

BTW, do you know that US played not a very pleasant role before the invasion to Kuwait? To some extent I can almost call it a provocation.

Originally posted by AKIron

There have been terrorists training camps discovered near Baghdad. I suppose you think that's all just western propaganda too.

Terrorst trainig camps? Your brave soldiers (who say that nightvision binoculars that are sold in every hunting shop here are illegal Russian imports) will call a paintball playground a "terrorist training camp". Any army training center looks like a terrorist training camp. Try to surprise me with something more impressive.

Originally posted by AKIron

Will you be like Blitz and claim that the US has planted any WMD that will be discovered?

I already said this. It is impossible to imagine comrade Bush saying "Sorry, we didn't find WMD, we are sorry, casus belli was a figment of our imagination and we go home". If there will be no WMD found in Iraq (that is how it is now) - I'll admit that your president deserves some respect. So far it looks like agressors assured that Iraq is disarmed and then were brave enough to attack helpless country.

Originally posted by AKIron
I want to ask you a serious question Boroda. Would you prefer communism over your current political/economic government/situation?

Communism? Definetly I'll prefer Communism to any other social formation. But it will never happen, at least in my lifetime. Social revolutons can never lead to Communism (as it was proved by many "experiments" in XX century), and to reach it through technological progress will take centuries. And I don't believe Stalin's thesis about "abolition of state through it's strengthening".

But I think that you (as 99% of Americans) have no idea about scientific communism or Marxist philosophy, or even basic terms used there, so I suppose that by saying "communism" you mean Soviet socialism. I don't want to live under Soviet socialism, despite of the obvious advantages in social programms (health, security, education).

Our current government is very, very far from perfect. But at least it's not guided by IMF, and does something to save our industry. Frankly speaking - now I see no alternative What is really nessesary is to reduce the number of government administration employees, and make millions of that parasites do something instead of leeching money from economics. IMHO the best form of government for Russia is monarchy, but now it's impossible. I am against "democracy" in it's current meaning.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Boroda
War with Iran was sponsored by your government, it's not a secret. Iranian students needed revenge. Gassing Kurds - well, I have read some things about it, and it seems to me that Western point of view on that sad event is... hmmm... biased. Chemical weapons are a very dangerous thing that only insane people can use, but there are some nuances.

As for Kuwait invasion - it was a bold and open agression, and Iraq payed for it.

BTW, do you know that US played not a very pleasant role before the invasion to Kuwait? To some extent I can almost call it a provocation.

 

Terrorst trainig camps? Your brave soldiers (who say that nightvision binoculars that are sold in every hunting shop here are illegal Russian imports) will call a paintball playground a "terrorist training camp". Any army training center looks like a terrorist training camp. Try to surprise me with something more impressive.

 

I already said this. It is impossible to imagine comrade Bush saying "Sorry, we didn't find WMD, we are sorry, casus belli was a figment of our imagination and we go home". If there will be no WMD found in Iraq (that is how it is now) - I'll admit that your president deserves some respect. So far it looks like agressors assured that Iraq is disarmed and then were brave enough to attack helpless country.

 

Communism? Definetly I'll prefer Communism to any other social formation. But it will never happen, at least in my lifetime. Social revolutons can never lead to Communism (as it was proved by many "experiments" in XX century), and to reach it through technological progress will take centuries. And I don't believe Stalin's thesis about "abolition of state through it's strengthening".

But I think that you (as 99% of Americans) have no idea about scientific communism or Marxist philosophy, or even basic terms used there, so I suppose that by saying "communism" you mean Soviet socialism. I don't want to live under Soviet socialism, despite of the obvious advantages in social programms (health, security, education).

Our current government is very, very far from perfect. But at least it's not guided by IMF, and does something to save our industry. Frankly speaking - now I see no alternative What is really nessesary is to reduce the number of government administration employees, and make millions of that parasites do something instead of leeching money from economics. IMHO the best form of government for Russia is monarchy, but now it's impossible. I am against "democracy" in it's current meaning.

You know what's sad?  He really believes this crap.

[Habu]

Originally posted by Boroda
War with Iran was sponsored by your government, it's not a secret. Iranian students needed revenge. Gassing Kurds - well, I have read some things about it, and it seems to me that Western point of view on that sad event is... hmmm... biased. Chemical weapons are a very dangerous thing that only insane people can use, but there are some nuances.

As for Kuwait invasion - it was a bold and open agression, and Iraq payed for it.

BTW, do you know that US played not a very pleasant role before the invasion to Kuwait? To some extent I can almost call it a provocation.

 

Terrorst trainig camps? Your brave soldiers (who say that nightvision binoculars that are sold in every hunting shop here are illegal Russian imports) will call a paintball playground a "terrorist training camp". Any army training center looks like a terrorist training camp. Try to surprise me with something more impressive.

 

I already said this. It is impossible to imagine comrade Bush saying "Sorry, we didn't find WMD, we are sorry, casus belli was a figment of our imagination and we go home". If there will be no WMD found in Iraq (that is how it is now) - I'll admit that your president deserves some respect. So far it looks like agressors assured that Iraq is disarmed and then were brave enough to attack helpless country.

 

Communism? Definetly I'll prefer Communism to any other social formation. But it will never happen, at least in my lifetime. Social revolutons can never lead to Communism (as it was proved by many "experiments" in XX century), and to reach it through technological progress will take centuries. And I don't believe Stalin's thesis about "abolition of state through it's strengthening".

But I think that you (as 99% of Americans) have no idea about scientific communism or Marxist philosophy, or even basic terms used there, so I suppose that by saying "communism" you mean Soviet socialism. I don't want to live under Soviet socialism, despite of the obvious advantages in social programms (health, security, education).

Our current government is very, very far from perfect. But at least it's not guided by IMF, and does something to save our industry. Frankly speaking - now I see no alternative What is really nessesary is to reduce the number of government administration employees, and make millions of that parasites do something instead of leeching money from economics. IMHO the best form of government for Russia is monarchy, but now it's impossible. I am against "democracy" in it's current meaning.

Do us all a favor and don't have kids ok? No one deserves to be brought up in an environment that pretty much dooms them to be failures in life.