Originally posted by 10Bears
Just making a little clarification there Rude.. I bet Toad that there was maybe a couple of buckets of bug spray in Iraq not the massive amounts of WMD ready to go as Toad/Bush insisted.
He has 3 months from April 19th to prove these massive piles. Your asking me if I had paid up seems rather odd seeing as how these massive piles of WMD haven’t turned up. I’m curious as to why you asked that?.
BTW you might recall my speculating on how the spin might go. Well they sent the stuff over to Syria... Well, they buried it deep in the sand.. We’ll find it you bet ya.. Sounds like OJ searching for his wife’s killers.
We liberated Iraq. That’s nice.. And it won’t be too hard to revise some history to fit with current events. The USSR was merely liberating Hungary.. The good German people living in Poland had to be liberated from the Polish regime. The Japanese simply used a preemptive strike on Pearl Harbor.
I only asked because of a vague memory of some bet between the two of you....couldn't remember the details...thanks for the clarification....btw....they will find them:)
Now, regarding you drawing parallels to the Germans, Russians and the Japanese of the past to the current US intervention....either you are a highly skilled angler or your dillusional. If it's the latter, please clue me in to what life experience brought about such extreme views.
To clarify, I'm not of the belief that the US governments hands are clean in it's dealings throughout history. Many mistakes in judgement and the intent of those who held control have shown us to test what we're fed from the government.
It's just that this current action is valid whether WMD's are found or not...the history and factual evidence of his past intent is clearly documented....he was our enemy and the enemy of his own people. Should the next attack on our soil be nuclear, biological or chemical and hundreds of thousand die, your preferred method of containment will fall painfully short....to believe that all will be fine is naive.
The position that it is the past behavior of the US which has brought about 9/11 and the current mindset of those who wish us harm and that thus we deserve to be targeted is somewhat skewed towards the extreme....just what did the US do to justify an attack like 9/11 or perhaps something worse in the future? Supporting Isreal gives some validity to those who would murder US citizens on US soil? Tell me what we've done that would justify that kind of action.
The only rationale that I can think of that would cause you and others to be against what this nation has undertook, would be that you prefer a more balanced one world goverment system, where compromise for the purpose of the betterment of such a system would bring about a more long lasting and real peace. I don't know...you tell me what's behind all of this bitterness and resentment towards our country which seems to permeate this BBS.
It's my belief that we should continue a focused pressure on any who would cause us harm....I much more prefer the direct and honest approach to these issues rather than the covert methods of the past....yourself, along with all of us, would reel at the complete truth should it be shared with the public. You may feel it's your inherent right to know all things known by our government....I do not.
Those who resent this country overseas have their viewpoint....Americans have theirs. I'm not willing to compromise our principals just to get along. The UN is so corrupt, that to believe the answer lies with their unbiased touch is a joke.
This is all about ideology....the world is full of different folks with with different opinions...the common bond amongst man is to be free....free to worship, to raise a family in safety, to earn a living and provide a good life through the same. The goverments and extremists, mainly through ignorance and manipulation are the culprits throughout time. I choose to hold back judgement on this current administration, until they show me good reason to doubt them. Knee jerk reactions to Justice Department security actions and methods are not threatening to me in the least. The assumption that the act of protecting this nation is a simple one and that uncommon efforts should be restrained is much more dangerous to the well being of our country and it's people than to take action and to speak clearly of our intent to those who would wish us harm.
The American public is not as stupid as you may believe them to be, nor as gullible. We will hold accountable those in power...in the meantime, I'm in favor of them doing their jobs as they've been elected to do and if they can't get it done, then I'll be the first to vote Mr. Bush out of office.
