190 Doras

[Ice]

I have a feeling that this perk thingie will dominate the boards once implemented.

I'm just waitin to see how it works...I enjoy flyin the pony so much that I don't seem to have the interest most of you do in the perked rides.

Gonna be interesting.

Ice

PS...Sorry Senna I hope the Dora makes it into the MA soon as well...is my favorite LW plane........................ .....to kill

[This message has been edited by Ice (edited 02-23-2001).]

[Karnak]

The F4U-1C as a cheap perk, say, about 10 points would still get flown a bit.

The N1K2 at that price would practically vanish from the arena.  Why?  Because it is a death trap. At a top speed of 369, you CAN'T run.  Therefore you stand a VERY good chance of kissing those points goodbye.

I know that the F4U people say that the F4U is slow, but I've never outrun one.  NEVER.  That's in Spits, N1K2s, A6M5s (duh), Yaks, Tiffies and various 109s.  the F4U is FAST.

On the subject of the Fw190D-9, I don't think it should be perked, even with Mw50.

Vermillion, Funked, I thought that the La7 was essentially a slightly faster, better armed La5.  Am I wrong on this?

If I am correct, then I see no reason that the La7 should be perked.

Perk Fighters, IMHO:

Me262a
P-51H
F4U-4A
Ta152H1
Me163
P-47M (or is it N, I can never remember)
Yak9UT? (don't know my Russian fighters very well)
Yak3? (don't know my Russian fighters very well)
He162a
Tempest MkV
Spitfire MkXIV
Meteor MkIII
P-80A
F7F
F8F

Perk Bombers, IMHO:

Ar234
B-29A
Tu-2 (cheap version of B-29)
Mosquito B.MkIX (cheap version of Ar234)

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Sisu
-Karnak

[juzz]

I take exception!  

F4U-4 a perk? It's performance would be on par with the Fw 190D-9, and there were just as many in use.
Yak-3 - 412mph at 10k is soooo scary, oooh!

Tu-2 = a cheap B-29 - WTF?!!!
Speed: 340mph at 17,700ft vs 358mph at 25,000ft
Range: 1304 miles vs 3250 miles
Bombload: 6,600lbs vs 20,000lbs
Guns: 3x12.7mm+2x20mm vs 12x.50in+1x20mm

[Karnak]

juzz,

My source give the Tu-2S a max speed at full load of 342mph and an overload loadout weight of 4000kg (8,818lbs).

The reason that I say it is a cheap B-29 is because it has good speed and a good bombload, as opposed to very good speed and a huge bombload.

I know from experience what a pain it is to climb up to 20,000ft to attack a 280mph B-17 or Lanc, an extra 60mph would make the interceptors job MUCH harder.

That is why I view it as a cheap perk.

BTW, the Yak3 was supposed to me a low level monster, to the point where the Luftwaffe ordered its pilots not to engage it at low altitude.  Also keep in mind that many are demanding that the 369mph N1K2 be perked.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Sisu
-Karnak

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[juzz]

4000kg overload is for a 1946-47 standard Tu-2S. For the wartime model, 340mph is the speed with a 1000kg internal bombload - the extra 2000kg(making max = 3000kg) is carried externally, and would slow the Tu-2S to around 315mph.

 

I know from experience what a pain it is to climb up to 20,000ft to attack a 280mph B-17 or Lanc, an extra 60mph would make the interceptors job MUCH harder.

So - does that mean that AH shouldn't have any fast bombers at all unperked, unless maybe they have a bombload so low that you are better off taking a JABO? That's not very nice for the bomber pilots.  

BTW: Did you know that the Mosquito B.IX(or the much more common B.XVI) is actually faster when loaded(with a bigger bombload too) than the Ar 234B-2... imagine that - a "wooden wonder" indeed!  

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:


My source give the Tu-2S a max speed at full load of 342mph and an overload loadout weight of 4000kg (8,818lbs).

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Still, you have to admit that using "Tu-2" and "B-29" in the same sentence is pretty strange.

One was a fast two engine tactical medium bomber. One an enormous strategic bomber.

One can get oneself into a LOT of trouble comparing "absolute-maximum-barely-get-off-the-ground-and-bomb-10-miles-away" bombloads with "realistic fly out 700 miles and bomb somebody in a normal strategic mission" bombloads.

I'm sure the Tu-2 range at overload weight was painfully short.

Sure, you can take off in a TU-2 and bomb the Jerries next door with more weight than you could with a B-29 flying 1,500 miles at 30,000 feet to bomb Japan.

But they're in no way comparable aircraft :-)

Though, actually, AH has this problem to a small degree.

The B-17F and later models had underwing bomb shackles, and you could actually slap 16,000 lbs. on and make it off the ground.  However, you couldn't make it far and I'm sure it was rarely done. The AH bombload is a "normal" one. (However, it is true that the myth of the "enormous" B-17 has so pervaded society that people are shocked at how small a realistic B-17 bombload really is).

However, the max Ju-88 load in AH really is a max...I'd be interested to know what the real-life Ju-88 range would be with a full bomb bay and the 4 huge external bombs. I bet it was pretty damn short.

I know from experience what a pain it is to climb up to 20,000ft to attack a 280mph B-17 or Lanc, an extra 60mph would make the interceptors job MUCH harder.

I have the sneaking suspicion that no Tu-2 in WWII with an overload bomb load ever got anywhere NEAR 20,000 feet...and not particularly often with ANY bombload :-)

[iculus]

The external bomb racks were removed from the B-17F sometime around the middle of it's production.  No "G" models carried them.  

No biggie

190D would be nice, it was my favorite for a long time in WB.  Doesn't really need to be perked.

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