Author Topic: Explain this to me (Read 1327 times)

MrLars · « **Reply #15 on:** April 25, 2003, 04:16:13 PM »

If you fly an La7 better be prepaired to get smacked around a lot in the arena.

Some of us will think nothing of dumping 3-7k of alt just to kill one. Niks and P51's get the same attention from me also.

Boozer · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2003, 04:18:46 PM »

extremely possible, and not that hard, chopping with a climbing turn leaves you set for a simple 400yd T shot, a mustang pilots' specialty if he's even halfway decent.

Hooligan · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2003, 04:43:27 PM »

P-51 is heavier and has less drag than an La-7, it should catch an La-7 in a dive...

Hooligan

Shane · « **Reply #18 on:** April 25, 2003, 05:09:51 PM »

i don;t understand why he didn't simply reverse when the pony was about 3k out and pop that azz?

Widewing · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2003, 05:31:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
i don;t understand why he didn't simply reverse when the pony was about 3k out and pop that azz?

I was wondering the same thing. I always turn into the attacker under those circumstances. At the very least he will just blow on by and go looking for an easier target.

My regards,

Widewing

Catching Spies · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2003, 05:40:56 PM »

No ammo....

SlapShot · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2003, 06:06:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Catching Spies
No ammo....

Nice recovery !!!

BUT ...

I have turned into a closing plane with no ammo ... He doesn't know that I don't have ammo. Once I have reversed the situation and chase them for a short while, I try to leave the scene and in most cases, they won't follow.

Shane · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2003, 06:17:30 PM »

exactly... and nothing, but nothing, beats you being bingo and flying them into the dirt.

bullets are over-rated.

SlapShot · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2003, 06:23:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
exactly... and nothing, but nothing, beats you being bingo and flying them into the dirt.

bullets are over-rated.

Yup ... forgot about that ... I have to agree.

BTW Shane ... observed one of your DA sessions last week (God mode) and learned a few things. Would like to go DA with you sometime when you have the chance. <>

Griego · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2003, 01:24:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Hooligan
P-51 is heavier and has less drag than an La-7, it should catch an La-7 in a dive...

Hooligan

La7 doing 550 then the pony must have been doing over that 575 or 600mph. hmmm chops throttle and pulls up at this speed pony would loose wings. pony looses wing at a much slower speed than this.

I think though you gave him to much time to slow down. he was 6000 yds behind ya you should have turn and HO'ed him LOL.

Shane · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2003, 10:37:03 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yup ... forgot about that ... I have to agree.
BTW Shane ... observed one of your DA sessions last week (God mode) and learned a few things. Would like to go DA with you sometime when you have the chance. <>

~~sure thing, just ask if you see me in the arena.~~

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2003, 03:39:53 PM »

I remember one of those Lala-7 doubling back on my 109G2 after merging at a combined speed of some 700mph - and catching back up to me! BS.

I am with MrLars. I will kill an LA7 with any chance I get. Not wishing to gloat, but here is a film of me doing just that. I was in a CHOG, and they fly like lumps of wood. I knew that I had to resist getting into a turn fight, or I would be dog meat - look what happened to Boones in the film. Only thing for me to do was maintain alt and E. I didn't get him on the first pass or the second, but conserved E by zooming rather than trying to turn into him. Classic B&Z. I love it!

Hooligan!

I tried diving on a LA7 in my P47D25, and with the plane shaking itself to bits I could not catch the LA7, even with an alt advantage. Bastige got away.

Widewing · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2003, 10:49:08 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
I remember one of those Lala-7 doubling back on my 109G2 after merging at a combined speed of some 700mph - and catching back up to me! BS.

I am with MrLars. I will kill an LA7 with any chance I get. Not wishing to gloat, but here is a film of me doing just that. I was in a CHOG, and they fly like lumps of wood. I knew that I had to resist getting into a turn fight, or I would be dog meat - look what happened to Boones in the film. Only thing for me to do was maintain alt and E. I didn't get him on the first pass or the second, but conserved E by zooming rather than trying to turn into him. Classic B&Z. I love it!

Hooligan! I tried diving on a LA7 in my P47D25, and with the plane shaking itself to bits I could not catch the LA7, even with an alt advantage. Bastige got away.

I don't get it, why didn't you reverse at the merge? Considering that the 109G-2 has excellent acceleration and climb, you should have little trouble in forcing him to break and run, or dogfight against a more agile fighter.

As to the CHog, or any other F4U, high-speed turning is excellent. Zoom is also very good. Personally, I never sweat Lavochkins while flying the CHog, simply because as long as I stuff the Hizookas in his face, he's neutered. Last night I had an La-7 flown by a guy known in the CT (where he usually can be found) as a good stick make several runs on my CHog from about 3k above (initially). I simply turned into his attack time and time again till he finally made a mistake, At that point, I rolled onto his 6 at 650 yards and vaporzied the Lavochkin. Never run from La-7s. Instead, head straight at them challenging the pilot to fight or run. Just never, ever give them your tail.

As to P-47s: I suspect you wasted your alt by diving too steep. I always point the nose where I expect him to be rather than at where he is. Another option is to keep your alt and follow, waiting to see if he should reverse. Either way, you should have plenty of E in the bank, just don't waste it.

My regards,

Widewing

Pongo · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2003, 10:52:47 PM »

Widewing your a great stick and this isnt a challange. But the La7 eats Chogs. That was the beauty of the thing. When it came out it put the chog and the niki imedialty on the defensive.

Widewing · « **Reply #29 on:** April 27, 2003, 12:33:38 AM »

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But the La7 eats Chogs. That was the beauty of the thing. When it came out it put the chog and the niki imedialty on the defensive.

On paper, the La-7 has a considerable performance advantage. Yet, tactics can often upset the "paper" advantage.

For example, if I have an altitude advantage the Lavochkin is in deep bandini. If I'm co-alt, he's getting a face full of Hispanos. The same goes when it's above me.

My method of dealing with La-7s centers around managing my E carefully. Especially in CHogs or DHogs, where acceleration is miserable. On the other hand, If I'm flying the F4U-4, I relish running into Lavochkins. This tour I've lost 2 aircraft to La-7s, both while landing (actually on the landing roll or just about to touch down on the airfield) deadstick, one being an La-7, the other an IL-2. In exchange, I've killed 24 of the "Russian Rockets", nearly 1/3 of them with the Dora, and even one with the IL-2.

It boils down to proper tactics for the specific situation. Make 'em fight against your fighter's strengths, which largely, if not completely negates their edge in pure performance.

My regards,

Widewing