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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2003, 03:22:53 AM »
not everything you do needs to be talked about.  somewhere they forgot to tell him how to STFU.

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2003, 05:50:47 AM »
There are times when, sick as it is, it is necessary to exectute or disable a prisoner.  It's hard to tell about that article, since you don't really have all the facts.  Inferring what you can, though, that person has no place in the military.

A team's completion of a mission and survivability largely include rational thought.  That also includes NOT doing things your are emotionally driven to do.  The execution of a prisoner, unless it is necessarry for mission completion, tells you a few things about the soldier.  He is either controlled by emotion, doesn't understand the value of human life, or is a psychopath.   Today's wars are  about public opinion as much as they are about killing the enemy.  A favorable outcome to the war, publicly and militarily, as well as the safety of your team, rely on someone that follows orders without thinking, keeps his head, and respects every life he takes.

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2003, 06:02:34 AM »
Remember when the news broke showing the Coalition POWS, and the bodies of killed allied soldiers, there was the promise of a hunt for the Iraqi killers if any allied soldiers were executed..hows this case suddenly different to that?

If he's dumb enough to tell people about it, hes dumb enough to pay the price.

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2003, 06:04:34 AM »
Sounds more like:

He found someone he thought fired the Grenade and executed him. Someone saw him and filed a complaint.
He´s trying to do his best to get out of the jam he´s in.

Or he´s the most stupid guy Soldier I ever heard of.

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2003, 06:21:11 AM »
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Covarrubias said he ordered the man to stop and forced him to turn around.

 


I'm not entirely sure that this Iraqi soldier has reached POW-status at this point. Especially not when you consider the fact that there were other Iraqis nearby, and the Marine was pretty alone.

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2003, 07:54:19 AM »
I don't think that he should have shot the Iraqi.  If safe and possible, it would have been better to take him prisinor.  However, I'm saying this while sitting in my livingroom, have not been shot at in the past 15 munutes, and was not forced to make such a decicion as this Marine made.   Perhaps the Marine feared that he couldn't control these guys and watch his back in hostile territory at the same time....   Either way, who am I to judge?

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2003, 09:04:50 AM »
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If this is true, could you blame him?


Yes.

You don't execute soldiers that surrender.  Its immoral and stupid.  All it does is make future enemies more likely to fight to the death rather than surrender to be executed.  It will also make the treatment of any American POW's that more harsh.

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2003, 09:15:05 AM »
So when in WW2 the SS executed allied soldiers it was a war crime but now when a Marine does the same it's just a sorry incident and guy should walk away without any punishment?

Yeah that makes sense :)

Anyway my guess is we haven't heard the whole story but when a guy says "I went behind him and shot him in the back of the head. Twice." it's pretty clear that it was nothing but an execution.

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2003, 09:32:55 AM »
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, tells you a few things about the soldier.  He is either controlled by emotion, doesn't understand the value of human life, or is a psychopath.  


The guy who did it is no better than saddam himself.

He had a high enuff moral superiority to become jury, judge and executioner. That changed him form a soldier to a murderer.

Court martials will follow.

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2003, 09:49:43 AM »
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So when in WW2 the SS executed allied soldiers it was a war crime but now when a Marine does the same it's just a sorry incident and guy should walk away without any punishment?

Yeah that makes sense :)

Anyway my guess is we haven't heard the whole story but when a guy says "I went behind him and shot him in the back of the head. Twice." it's pretty clear that it was nothing but an execution.


LoL Stagameister. I have never seen a better example on this board of someone completely ignoring practically everything said in a thread and taking what they see as a prime opportunity to take a dump in it. ;)

Good show! :D

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2003, 09:52:38 AM »
Bragging about this was not very smart.

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2003, 11:14:10 AM »
yes and no

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2003, 11:25:33 AM »
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You don't execute soldiers that surrender.


are you forgeting the iraqis who "surrendered" under a white flag, then pulled out guns and opened fire on US troops?

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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2003, 11:26:41 AM »
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are you forgeting the iraqis who "surrendered" under a white flag, then pulled out guns and opened fire on US troops?


You saying its ok to do it because the Irakis did it? or what are you saying?
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2003, 11:29:26 AM »
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are you forgeting the iraqis who "surrendered" under a white flag, then pulled out guns and opened fire on US troops?


No. But that isn't the same thing, is it? When the enemy surrenders and complies then he is no longer a combatant. Using a white flag as a ruse to lure Coalition soldiers into the open thereby making them easier targets isn't even close.