Author Topic: .357 Sig (Read 960 times)

Curval · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2003, 11:51:22 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
If you use firearms for a variety of things then you can't beat a good revolver in .357 or .44 mag.
lazs

Help me out here...what are the "variety of things" that handguns are used for?

Protection or target shooting are the only two possible uses I can think of.

I mean, I suppose you could use them for removing beer caps at 15 meters...but I just use a bottle opener. It's much easier and you don't risk losing your beer in a shower of glass.

Wait...bank robberies could be another use...extortion possibly...taking down one's drug dealing competition, I guess so...is this the "variety" to which you refer?

Mini D · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2003, 11:53:36 AM »

You can hunt with handguns too. Varmint, game, whatever. That, basically, means there is a variety of things you can do with them. Something like a 9mm (or most autos) is going to be pretty useless in most of those aplications. A .357 or .44 revolver is definately more versatile.

MiniD

Curval · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2003, 11:55:37 AM »

Ah, okay Mini D thanks for clearing that up for me.

GrimCO · « **Reply #18 on:** April 27, 2003, 11:56:12 AM »

I carried both the .45 and .40 cal glocks at various times as duty weapons...

The .40 cal has basically the same ballistics as a .357 magnum and is a great round. The .45 is a great round also but lacks the penetrating power of the .40 or .357

Cor-Bon makes a nice hopped up round for the .40 cal also which travels at about 1350 fps.

Not to be gory here, but I've witnessed a few shootings where the .45 failed to stop the suspect immediately, and the .40 was pretty much a one shot drop.

Of course a well placed shot from just about any weapon will stop someone in their tracks, you don't always have the time to take careful aim, and rely on the stopping power of the round.

My vote is for the .40 cal

Hooligan · « **Reply #19 on:** April 27, 2003, 01:17:28 PM »

ooooooo .357 Sig!

Get it!!! Next time I am in your neighborhood I will bring my
Glock and we can play with each others' firearms.

Shooting incident data would indicate that the round is very lethal (very similar to .40 SW). This round is very close in dimenstions to a .40 SW that has been necked down. My understanding is that some pistols have occasional feed problems because they were originally designed as .40 SW and the .357 Sig conversion was not done optimally. If you are talking about and actual Sig pistol chambered in Sig .357 I would really not expect this to be a problem. Also if you buy a Sig pistol, you should be able to buy a Sig barrel to convert it to a .40, so you can have a pistol which can be either a .357 or .40. Think of how handy this could be!! (Remember to the pick up your casings and dispose of the incriminating barrel!)

If you really care about bullet lethality, then I strongly suggest you read "Handgun stopping power" and "Street Stoppers" by Marshall and Sanow. This work is the only sensible stuff on pistol lethality that I have seen.

Hooligan

Hooligan · « **Reply #20 on:** April 27, 2003, 01:20:13 PM »

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Help me out here...what are the "variety of things" that handguns are used for?

Well you can pistol whip somebody with a little plastic automatic, but you really are better off using a big revolver for that particular task...

Hooligan

Gman · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2003, 01:22:19 PM »

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Help me out here...what are the "variety of things" that handguns are used for?

I saw a Mcguyver episode where he took the cylinder off a revolver, and used the squared shaped frame to turn on a fire hydrant and shoot the bad guys with a spray of water.

BBBB · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2003, 03:32:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
BBBB, for a person who wants to get into guns with a Glock, which one would you recomend more, a Glock 23 or a Glock 33, all things considered?

The 33 seems attractive for concealment.

Well the 23 is the compact .40. It is a nice pistol. Really I prefer the compacts over the full sized Glocks. Mostly for there all around abiltys, there not hard to conceal, and at the same time there isnt really any loss in accracy with the compact models vs the full size ones. Really a subcompact glock can be a handfull for some ppl. So I would go with a full size, or compact model first, before I started playing with the smaller frames.

funkedup · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2003, 08:40:06 PM »

Thanks all. I knew with all the gun nuts around here I'd get some good answers. More efficient than actually doing the research myself.

I'm pretty much broke until the end of summer, so it's academic. But I need to get a pistol so I don't feel like a third wheel hanging out with Lazs and Hooligan. My car is better than theirs though.

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 28, 2003, 08:49:45 AM »

curval.. np.. we can take a trunk load of pistols and revolvers out to the range and you can see that the semi autos are all allmost as good as the revolvers at the 12 yard line and even at the 25 yard line... when we get to the 50 yard line the light will start to go on.... going to the 100 yard line will make things very apparent..

Shooting at targets in the desert at unknown ranges and shooting ground squirrels at 20-100 yards makes things a little clearer... a wild boar hunt or black bear hunt make it crystal.

The 357 sig is a great round... loud and not particularly accurate (compared to a revolver) but with good ballistics and stopping power... hard to reload for and expensive to buy.... but I allready said all that.

Oh and funked.... I really am sorry for asking you to "get on it" when we were in your car.... if I had know you allready had the pedal to the metal for 10 seconds I would have been more polite.... honest mistake.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 28, 2003, 08:52:59 AM »

Oh... and a good pistol whipping is a pretty fair deterent to further aggressivnes even tho it sometimes bends the front sight.

If you smack em with one of those plastic things they just go "ow... stop that... you could hurt someone if you're not careful!"
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #26 on:** April 28, 2003, 08:59:50 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
curval.. np.. we can take a trunk load of pistols and revolvers out to the range and you can see that the semi autos are all allmost as good as the revolvers at the 12 yard line and even at the 25 yard line... when we get to the 50 yard line the light will start to go on.... going to the 100 yard line will make things very apparent..

Lazs..you going to the Con this year? If so, I'll take you up on that.

The only thing is..based upon my last performance we won't need to go much past the 12 yard line. Maybe you can give me some instruction?

Mini D · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2003, 09:01:05 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Oh and funked.... I really am sorry for asking you to "get on it" when we were in your car.... if I had know you allready had the pedal to the metal for 10 seconds I would have been more polite.... honest mistake.
lazs

Never hesitate to ask funked to "get on it". Its your loss if you do.

MiniD