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« Reply #105 on: May 07, 2003, 08:06:35 AM »
poor jakal... skilless and tounge tied.   well... in fairness touretts syndrome is nothing to make fun of... hope you get well soon.
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« Reply #106 on: May 07, 2003, 10:14:15 AM »
Lazs2, the 51 is a worthy opponent, but the Yak is prolly the most dangerous of the planes you mentioned. None of them is superior to LW iron however, and you would be at a disadvantage against a LW pilot who knows how to use his machine (LW planes can be tricky). If you fancy a friendly duel I'll be more than happy to oblige. :)
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« Reply #107 on: May 07, 2003, 10:14:24 AM »
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Lizard  Next tour I'm going to try your way fly every plane for 1 sortie. and fighters until 1 kill. Sounds ike that could be real fun.


Ya might be stuck on the 202 for a while rod367th, Although I did sneak up on two lower Yaks who were chasing another plane on the deck.  I let loose at 275yd with everything perfect, lit em up pretty good, and got both focused on me rather than the guy they finnished downing.

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« Reply #108 on: May 07, 2003, 10:19:38 AM »
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The Mossie is well armed, quite fast, the guns are extremely easy to hit, and most people are taken by surprise at how it turns.  If you get someone in close behind you, scissors are easy due to the energy bleed in any vertical turn so its easy to get someone to overshoot you.  Anyhow that's my 2 cents or so.  


The last time I flew a Mossie was on a ground attack mission.  I made a high-speed run-in on a base and promptly sheered my elevators off. :mad: After that I figured I just wasn't cut out to be a Mossie fighter pilot.

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« Reply #109 on: May 07, 2003, 10:22:06 AM »
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Lizard  Next tour I'm going to try your way fly every plane for 1 sortie. and fighters until 1 kill. Sounds ike that could be real fun.


One thing I tried for awhile was "Fly the plane that shot you down last mission."  After a couple of weeks of that, I realized I got a lot of stick time in Spitfires and Mustangs. :p

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« Reply #110 on: May 07, 2003, 10:49:56 AM »
gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly..  I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena.   I rarely run into LW planes tho...  the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good  are smart enough to not fight me in the arena.  

 In my opinion, the LW planes require the least acm and the most patience.  They really only do a few things well and that makes em pretty much outsiders even in the MA.... they are there..but they are playing a different game than the rest of us... I think that is why so many of them are frustrated and defensive.
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« Reply #111 on: May 07, 2003, 11:09:36 AM »
Good point point about LW planes in the MA Laz.

Aside from the corsairs I don't like to fly getaway planes, I find them boring . Last time I took a hop in a p51 I got 6 kills, but 0 fights . I like classy planes a6m, c202, spitIX,  would love to see the Fiat G55 in AH . When you kill something with a 202 it looks like those old gun cams, where the guy just keeps pumping lead into the plane in front of him  . But even that becomes boring, so lately I've been flying TBM and a20.

I've found TBM is the most versitile plane in the game, it can fight, level bomb, dive bomb, rockets, torpedo, tailhook, and even take a gunner, you won't need a gunner  becuase the TBM turns so tight the enemy will allways be in front of you. Besides if you're overwhelmed in a TBM a gunner isn't going to save you .

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« Reply #112 on: May 07, 2003, 11:18:27 AM »
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gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly..  I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena.   I rarely run into LW planes tho...  the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good  are smart enough to not fight me in the arena.  

 In my opinion, the LW planes require the least acm and the most patience.  They really only do a few things well and that makes em pretty much outsiders even in the MA.... they are there..but they are playing a different game than the rest of us... I think that is why so many of them are frustrated and defensive.
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When I get back home, I'll look for you in the MA ;)

LW rides can be alot more flexible than what most people think. I think it was TracerX who said: "LOL! GS ... you had that Dora turning like a spit." when I finally got his F4U in a 5 min 1:1. The LW rides can surprise you if the Luftwobble knows what he's doing, especially the 109. Willy's little masterpiece can do everything good (but not best).
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« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2003, 11:36:41 AM »
gs... every plane in the arena can surprise you in the arena if flown by someone who knows what they are doing but.... the ones least likely to surprise me are all LW ones.
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« Reply #114 on: May 07, 2003, 11:47:22 AM »
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gs... every plane in the arena can surprise you in the arena if flown by someone who knows what they are doing but.... the ones least likely to surprise me are all LW ones.
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Sure, I'll buy that. I'll be seeing you then.
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« Reply #115 on: May 07, 2003, 12:06:41 PM »
good deal... allways look forward to a good fite.   Hope I don't dissapoint you.

when I flew the -1a I flew it into exactly the same situations that I fly the fm2 into..  The advantage was that people didn't expect  a hog to be afggressive or to try to turnfite em..   many lost their concentration when I would hose em down from a high deflection shot.    There is something to be said about flying the medium capabilty planes... you are percieved to be less of a threat... if you are ignored long enough you can gain an insurmountable advantage.  
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« Reply #116 on: May 07, 2003, 12:10:01 PM »
bye bye GS :)
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« Reply #117 on: May 07, 2003, 12:12:49 PM »
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gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly..  I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena.   I rarely run into LW planes tho...  the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good  are smart enough to not fight me in the arena.  

 In my opinion, the LW planes require the least acm and the most patience.  They really only do a few things well and that makes em pretty much outsiders even in the MA.... they are there..but they are playing a different game than the rest of us... I think that is why so many of them are frustrated and defensive.
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There's a lot of truth in that.  The only times I've really been drilled in the MA by a LW plane was when either (a) I was outnumbered because a whole squadron of them came after me; (b) They were higher than me and I was heavy with fuel or in a P-38; and (c) I was in a LW plane, too.

Most of the time, the LW planes I encounter are being flown by guys that fly them for the same reason I do: just to try something different.  No real experience in them, just taking one out for a spin to see what its like.

The 190D9 is fast, so about the time I get a guns solution on him he's on his way out of the fight.  The 109F is the best turnfighter of the 109 breed, the G2 and G6 seem to handle about the same except for the size of the bullets, and the G10 will compress on me before I realize I'm in trouble.  

About the only LW plane I've had any success in is the 190A8 with the four 20mm option.  With all of that firepower, I don't need to turn away from an HO, so fancy-shmancy ACM never really becomes an issue so long as I start my attacks from above my target's head.  Dropping a ton of bricks on unsuspecting Spitfires is fun for the first night or so, but then its like watching the Abbott and Costello "Who's On First" routine for the umpteenth time.  Yeah its fun, but it gets a little old.  Although, I did enjoy knocking down a Typhoon in a split-second snapshot from my A8 last night. :)

In my opinion, the best dogfighters are as follows:

(a) Spitfire IX - best blend of speed, ammo load, and turn
(b) N1K2 - best blend of turn, speed, and firepower
(c) FM2 - best blend of turn and rocket attack
(d) Hurricane Mk 2 -  best blend of turn and firepower
(e) Yak 9U - best blend of speed and turn
(f) LA-7 - best blend of speed and firepower
(g) P-51D - best blend of speed and ammo load

Not a LW plane amongst them.

That's not to say you can't get kills in a LW plane.  You can, easily, particularly in the D9 in rocketship mode and the 190A8 in juggernaut mode.  But you're not going to want to be in the baitball in a LW plane. Well, maybe a 109F but don't expect much success.

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« Reply #118 on: May 07, 2003, 01:00:40 PM »
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gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly..  I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena.   I rarely run into LW planes tho...  the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good  are smart enough to not dive into the cv ack to fight me.  

 ... I think that is why I am so frustrated and defensive.
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Makes perfect sense to me:D

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« Reply #119 on: May 07, 2003, 01:22:05 PM »
lazerus.. I am sure that in your world that it does make perfect sense to misquote someone so that it fits your fantasy.
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