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Offline Ike 2K#

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2003, 08:11:26 PM »
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The F-22 is already 13 years old with development begining in 1981.
 


looks like F-22 will be like the JU-87. The Ju-87 was already obsolete when it enter service in WWII
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2003, 08:22:03 PM »
as for russian equipment sucking, last i checked their short range missles AA11 were much better then anything we had till Sindwinder 9x, which entered service something like 10 years later.
Also off boresight stuff they've done was way up there.

AA10 were supposed to be pretty hot **** too.
Overall gap ain't what it used to be, but they sure ran out of cash.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2003, 08:24:38 PM »
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looks like F-22 will be like the JU-87. The Ju-87 was already obsolete when it enter service in WWII


No it will just be 10 years ahead of anything from Russia, instead of 20.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2003, 08:30:28 PM »
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No it will just be 10 years ahead of anything from Russia, instead of 20.


True, the SU-37 first flew 6 years after the F-22 and Russia hasn't ordered one ( as far as I know)

With our current "next generation" projects, the Russians won't even be in same arena.....literally.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2003, 08:31:09 PM »
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looks like F-22 will be like the JU-87. The Ju-87 was already obsolete when it enter service in WWII



ju-87 actually was pretty new when it entered ww2...and when did you see a "obsolete" destroy thousands of russian tanks...ju-87's could take a beating and more than once a rear gunner took out a la-5...


rudel survived the war in one so it couldent be to obsolete...

next time do your homework ike
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2003, 09:53:47 PM »
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Why compare the F-22 with the old Flanker?  


The F-22 is older than the Flanker...why not?
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2003, 09:59:24 PM »
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YF-22 first flight, September 7, 1997

Su-27 Flanker first flight, 20 May 1977

Eh? ... Why do you persist in being so Cod damned uninformed?



I think they are talking about the Su-37...
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2003, 10:00:42 PM »
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I think they are talking about the Su-37...


YF-22 first flight was in 1990, Su37 was 1996
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2003, 10:02:52 PM »
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Which is a modification of the Su-27. Just like the F-15E is to the F-15C. We're talking about a 25 year old design here.


SU-37 is total redesign, but nice try.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2003, 10:23:32 PM »
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If the Russian active-plasma technology works as advertised any aircraft can be stealthy.

http://iron-eagles.tripod.com/articles/active.htm


If the US space planes work as Russia advertises, Russia cannot compete with us..... Like they could ever compete in the first place.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2003, 10:48:26 PM »
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I wonder why the Indies are bying all this new stuff from the Russians. We might see something happening in that area soon.


You know what's interesting about India? they have more than a billion people, yet they can't build a modern tank or fighter.

Compair that with Israel for instance.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2003, 11:23:57 PM »
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Nope, no more than the F-15E.


Sorry, this is just wrong.

The F-15E did not have improvements nearly as radical as full axis thrust vectoring and cannards. A better comparison would be the F-16XL

Wether it is a redesign or not, that is not the point. The Su37 first flew in 1996.

In a close furball, pilots with equal skill, the Su37 apparently has an advantage over the Raptor.

But still, the F-22 is the better plane. By far.
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2003, 11:26:57 PM »
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You know what's interesting about India? they have more than a billion people, yet they can't build a modern tank or fighter.

Compair that with Israel for instance.


Of course they can.
They just dont see the need to make such a HUGE investment in weapon development when they can buy perfectly capable models from a country which has more experience and manpower in that area.

Israel does have that need.
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2003, 01:22:01 AM »
Wow GScholz, you really have to heavily modify your perspective to keep so anti-everything-US now don't you.

The Su-37 was a redesign of the Su-27, not a modification.
  • wing area increase from 639 sq-ft to 667 sq-ft.
  • fixed sweep outer wing section instead of the ogive one
  • tip air-to-air launchers
  • leading edge maneuvering flaps instead of fixed sections
  • lower wing chord camber
  • removal of ailerons and extension flaps for plain flaperons
  • smaller canopy and canopy rear-slope
  • smaller fuselage cross-section in front & rear of cockpit
  • larger fuselage cross-section just forward of fuel tanks
  • increased fillet radii between lifting body & forward fuselage
  • smaller cross-sectional area of dorsal fairing
  • engine accessory drive moved to the top to decrease frontal area, improved sectional area curve behavior, and to reduce aircraft wetted area decreasing subsonic & wave drag while lowering structure weight
  • introduction of an extended fuselage stinger section between the engines to recover and increase internal fuel capacity
  • engine intake screens for FOD protection and shutter suck-in doors under the inlet for additional air when needed
  • movement of vertical stabilizers outboard of the engines and allowed the stabilator actuators fairings to be blended reducing wetted area and drag while increasing stability
  • improved anti-flutter of horizontal stabilizers
  • main landing gear given skewed main pivot joints
  • air brakes were replaced with a single brake on top
  • improved wing planform that decreased drag & improved lift
  • a workable avionics suite that benefited from extended schedules and western technology finds
  • improved static-unstable hybrid electronic/hydraulic flight control system
  • high use of titanium to meet weight/strength requirements
  • radar diameter increased and lengthened 680 mm
The number of points here isn't really relevant as the points themelves.  New Wings, new fuselage, relocated vertical stabilizers, new engines, new what else?  They don't take a Su-27 and turn it into a Su-37, they build it from scratch because its a different aircraft that was based on the Su-27.  To say its no different than an F-15E vs an F-15D is pretty damn silly.

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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2003, 02:57:14 AM »
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If the Russian active-plasma technology works as advertised any aircraft can be stealthy.


Isnt this -Venik- translator guy the sae one who provide all of us ignorant westerners with the GRU truth reports during the Iraq war?
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