French help Iraqi officials to escape?

[blue1]

The problem I have with this is that the French always do what is perceived as best for France. Helping Iraqis escape to Europe is not in France's best interest. It might however be in the best interests of certain individuals in France, that's possible.

What is clear though is that leaking unsubstantiated claims like this to the press is in the best interests of the United States. "We can't find them because the Godamm frogs gave them asylum."

Black propaganda and disinformation. Intelligence agencies love that kind of thing.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by SLO
or the 1 who waits till he has PROOF before making PUBLIC accusations.... me.

You're kidding Slo, right? How far back in your posts do you think I'll have to look to dig up unproven accusations?

[SLO]

Originally posted by AKIron
You're kidding Slo, right? How far back in your posts do you think I'll have to look to dig up unproven accusations?

I'm out Iron.....this game of cat an mouse is gettin repetitive.

was fun in the beginning...but now

if ya wanna look.....go ahead....have fun.

[Puke]

Slo proves the trait of the French always surrendering.

[Rude]

Originally posted by GScholz
Not my meaning. The French will sell their products under the "Made in EU" disguise. The product is made in France, but sold by a German or Dutch or a company of any other European nationality. That's the way it always works.

You think that will make a difference?

[Lizard3]

Where's Hangtime and his list? He needs to break that baby back out.

[Rude]

Like I said...it won't matter if french products sneek through.

If the UN, specifically France and Russia, crap on themselves again by blocking US efforts to end the oil for food program, then they will reap what they have sown.

[GrimCO]

Originally posted by GScholz
Unless you plan to boycott all of Europe, yes. (Better boycott Europe if you really don't want any French stuff sneaking through disguised as products)

I guess Americans aren't intelligent enough to research which companies are French. I suppose from you're perspective Americans should consider themselves lucky that they can even read the "Made in EU" stamp.

Like I said before... If someone is serious about going to the length of boycotting French products, it would take them less than 5 minutes to find a complete list of major French owned corporations.

[Hortlund]

Air France.
Air Liquide.
Airbus.
Alcatel.
Allegra (allergy medication).
Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, U.S. Divers, and SeaQuest).
AXA Advisors.

Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas). Beneteau (boats).
BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin).
BIC (razors, pens and lighters).
Biotherm (cosmetics).
Bollinger (champagne).

Car and Driver magazine.
Chanel.
Chivas Regal (scotch).
Christian Dior.
Club Med (vacations).
Crown Royal Canadian Whiskey (Seagram).

Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods).
Dom Perignon.
Durand Crystal.

Elle magazine.
Essilor Optical Products.
Evian.

Givenchy.
Glenlivet (scotch).

Hennessy.

Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989).

Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers).

Lancome.
Le Creuset (cookware).
L’Oreal (health and beauty products).
Louis Vuitton.

Martel Cognac.
Maybelline.
Michelin (tires and auto parts).
Mikasa (crystal and glass).
Moet (champagne).
Motel 6.
Motown Records.
MP3.com.

Peugeot (automobiles).
Pinault – Printemps – Redoute (Guicci, Yves Saint Laurent).
ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France).
Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising and Leo Burnett Worldwide).

RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson Electronics).
Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France). Renault (automobiles).
Road & Track magazine. Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France).
Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.).

Sierra Software and Computer Games.
Smart & Final.
Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor).
Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone).
Spencer Gifts.

Tefal (kitchenware).
Total gas stations.
Technicolor.

UbiSoft (computer games).
Uniroyal.
Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks; owned by Vivendi-Universal).
USFilter.

Veritas Group.
Veuve Clicquot Champagne.
Vittel.
Vivendi.

Wild Turkey (bourbon).
Woman’s Day magazine.

Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake).

Zodiac inflatable boats.

[GrimCO]

Looks like Hortlund saved them the trouble... LOL

[GrimCO]

Originally posted by GScholz
You simply don't get it. The products won't be labeled a French brand. Machine parts made by MAN-Roland (Germany), they could very well be made in France for all I know. BMW parts are made all over the world, but they're all labeled BMW. The well known brands will suffer, no one else.

Want to boycott BMW? Sure go ahead. The US Bimmers are mostlly made in the US anyway.

I think we might be experiencing a slight language barrier here GScholz. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

BMW is incorporated in the United States as BMW of North America. From all outward appearances, it would initially appear to me that BMW North America is an American company. The cars are made here, it has American employees (except for upper level management). However, after researching for about two minutes I can find out that the profits from car sales of BMW North America are going to Germany.

Maybe you mean that if I boycotted BMW, Americans would be affected by losing their jobs, and that would effect our economy here. If this is what you mean, I completely agree with you.

[straffo]

I think Hortlund list is bogus , there is far many more french product/brand than  those listed.

There is even more french product  directly/indirectly own by US funding ...

[GrimCO]

Originally posted by straffo
I think Hortlund list is bogus , there is far many more french product/brand than  those listed.

There is even more french product  directly/indirectly own by US funding ...

Straffo, it's a partial list. I have a more complete one myself.

If a company in France is owned by U.S. funding, it wouldn't be boycotted because it's revenues go to the United States.

[GrimCO]

Originally posted by GScholz
Yes. It is very difficult to boycott a whole nation when your economies are so entwined/dependant on eachother. Like if Europeans boycott all US brands like Burger King, Ford, Chrysler etc. who would we be punishing? Sure, the US companies would loose some profits, but there would be European companies going bankrupt, and Europeans who lost their jobs, not Americans.

Vivendi Universal is a French media conglomerate which owns a lot of US media companies (like Universal Studios, SciFi Cannel etc.). If Americans boycott Vivendi, these American companies would take the brunt of the "punishment", not any French company.

Well, I'm in definite agreement with you there GScholz...  The world economy is a complicated and intricate web of commerce which effects a lot more nations than is readily apparent. This is why I have opted not to jump on the bandwagon and boycott all French products...  I have, however, quit drinking Cognac... LOL

[GrimCO]

I prefer a good single malt Scotch whiskey...  But I do keep some Vodka on hand for those "special occasions".  Hehehe