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Offline Lance

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« Reply #75 on: May 12, 2003, 12:09:58 PM »
Grun, it is a fact that this guy was hired as part of an internship to attract minorities.  What is not a fact or at all demonstrated in these stories is that AA and his color had anything to do with how long he stayed at the paper before he was ultimately fired.   That you would arrive at such a conclusion before even finishing the first story is what makes me wonder what internal bias you have that leads you in this direction.

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« Reply #76 on: May 12, 2003, 12:22:27 PM »
Im reporting all of you to the AARP because one of you said something about age.....

Ihate this guy because he was incompetent...... way down the list because he was young. :) ....   color doesn't enter into it. Anybody who gets an advantage and doesn't do the most with it deserves ridicule. Fact is I doubt whether he will work again at anything approaching the stature of the job he had at the Times.

Problem with this thread (which is enjoyable to read) is that theres a grain of truth in most of these posts..... the real problem is what seems to be the vitriolic replys....... Is BLANK a racist? I doupt it.... is someone a pinko commie left wing bedwetter.... well maybe.....  either way I don't care..... concentrate on solutions vis-a-vis casting aspersions.

The solutions lie in why people think the way they do...

Anyway your all under senior citizen arrest......

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« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2003, 01:09:37 PM »
The New York Times
 
OP-ED COLUMNIST
'Huge Black Eye'
By WILLIAM SAFIRE


WASHINGTON

Just about everyone at this newspaper is sick at heart at the way one Times reporter betrayed our readers and all of us with his sustained deceit and plagiarism.

The Times team investigating the lies of Jayson Blair — grimly front-paged and spread over four inside pages of yesterday's paper — found his phony interviews and faked articles "a low point in the 152-year history of the newspaper." The publisher called it "a huge black eye."

How could this happen at the most rigorously edited newspaper in the world? We had plenty of warning: his 50-plus corrections in less than four years as a reporter, his evasion of questions about his whereabouts, complaints from colleagues.

Apparently this 27-year-old was given too many second chances by editors eager for this ambitious black journalist to succeed. As he moved to more responsible assignments, some editors failed to pass along assessments of his past shortcomings while others felt the need to protect the confidentiality of his troubles. Result: the con artist gamed a system that celebrates diversity and opportunity.

The Times's executive editor, Howell Raines, is determined to get right with readers by letting the "terrible mistake" be examined in excruciating detail. In addition to this opposite of cover-up, he assigned another newsroom group to come up with ways to prevent another failure of communication among our editors, the most expert of communicators.

What's the reaction in Washington, where — we now know — the fraudulent reporter came down to stain The Times's coverage of last year's attacks by snipers?

Liberals down here, who only last week had been gleeful at the revelation of conservative Bill Bennett's high-rolling gambling habit, are rendered glum by this embarrassment of the newspaper whose editorial policy they favor. But now my right-wing friends are suddenly up to their hips in their own Schadenfreude. (That's the German word for "the guilty pleasure one secretly takes in another's suffering.")

First comes the culture war. Some of my ideological soulmates say: See? There goes the prestigious New York Times, world paragon of accuracy, newspaper of record, winner of far more Pulitzer prizes than anybody — suckered for years by one cunning kid. About time those snobby Eastern elitists, twisting the news to fit their prejudices, got their comeuppance.

Then to the affirmative-action angle: See what happens, they taunt, when you treat a minority employee with kid gloves, promoting him when he deserves to be fired? Oh, we know your editors insist that "diversity" had nothing to do with it. But remember what Senator Dale Bumpers said about our impeachment of Clinton: "When you hear somebody say, `This is not about sex' — it's about sex." This is about diversity backfiring.

Here's my reply to their Kulturkampf: For exactly 30 years, I have been supported handsomely for disagreeing with The Times's editorial page, which is dovish on defense, leftist on economics and (with the exception of civil liberties) resolutely wrongheaded. Never have I been silenced, and conservative thinkers have an ever-fairer shake on the Op-Ed page.

As for news coverage being influenced by editorial policy, I evoke the name of my predecessor: that's a Krock. On occasion, a leftist slant on a story slips through the backfield, but with conservatives boring from within and fulminating from without, the news side soon straightens itself out. What is "fit to print" is the truth as straight as we can tell it, which is why Times people are so furious at this galling breach.

Now about the supposed cost of diversity: A newspaper is free to come down on the side of giving black journalists a break if its owners and editors so choose. What's more, this media world would also benefit from more Hispanics and Asians coming up faster.

To the 375 Times reporters who make up the greatest assemblage of talent and enterprise in the field of gathering and writing the news, I submit this hard line:

Self-examination is healthy but self-absorption is not; self-correction is a winner but self-flagellation is a sure loser. Let us slap a metaphoric cold steak over our huge black eye and learn from this dismaying example — so that other journalists in the nation and around the world can continue to learn from ours.
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« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2003, 03:16:14 PM »
Yea I saw that artricle as well montezuma  - it was a good read..

I think I definetly fit into the group that thinks ( as in opinion lance :) )  that there is  a credible opening to the idea that the NYT AA policy went wrong. I;m not saing it is wrong gernerally but that I feel it's very likely it did.

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« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2003, 03:24:55 PM »
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Grun, it is a fact that this guy was hired as part of an internship to attract minorities.  What is not a fact or at all demonstrated in these stories is that AA and his color had anything to do with how long he stayed at the paper before he was ultimately fired.   That you would arrive at such a conclusion before even finishing the first story is what makes me wonder what internal bias you have that leads you in this direction.


I did not arrive at that conclsion - it was a guess a gut feeling, I assume you never hvae guesses or hunches based on your past experiences in certain situations. For me much of my judgement here was based on my experiences at the local community college where I saw progessive liberal white teachers going very easy on and not chllenging certain underperforming black students - you could see that the teachers were setting the bar lower based on their political views on race issues.  This type of behavior was rampant at my school and it pissed me off. It did not affect me in any way I got good grades for every class my time there but I dont think that the black students who were treated like this benefied in any way.  

You know I did phrase the title in a stupid way but my heart is in the right place. I feel that the NYT let everyone down including this man in allowing him to keep making these mistakes and keep openly lying in his reports. My take on it is that they saw him as a useful PR prop to brag about their diversity program - and we now know that they in fact did brag about him to promote their aa program. And thats what got me pissed off thats why I said cases like this hurt the image of outreach programs. Thats what I have been saying from the first post in this thread.

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« Reply #80 on: May 12, 2003, 03:28:30 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2003, 05:19:58 PM »
Lol Dowding!~

Grun is sure giving a JCB a run for its money. :D

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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2003, 06:32:11 PM »
Mini D is DejaVu?
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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2003, 06:54:02 PM »
I think so.

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« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2003, 07:05:15 PM »
I just watched the News Hour on PBS and they asked about the same points Gruen brought up in this thread. They mentioned an editorial in USA today (I think it was USA today they mentioned)that brings up his "blackness" as a reason for his "fast track".

Those racist bastards.

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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2003, 07:11:49 PM »
Ya batz... and I bet they said that only a black guy could get away with something like this... or at least... that was their first instinct... no... gut feeling... no... wait.

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« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2003, 07:19:39 PM »
I think MiniD that you have point I was wrong in saying the only reason he got away with was because he was black. I should have thought more about and said that that It was my opionion that him being black and a part of this AA program was a very likrely reson for his unsual treatment at the NTY. And I think as more comes out about this case that will become more clear, we allready know that the NYT exectutives used his career as a bragging tool for their diversity initaiative - I think they had a vested interest in him not being fired all of a sudden for lying until it just got too bad and somebody outside the NYT began asking questions and complaing.

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« Reply #87 on: May 12, 2003, 07:19:40 PM »
Wooohoo my first double post. :)

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« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2003, 07:28:13 PM »
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I was wrong .


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I agree with Grun completely.

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« Reply #89 on: May 12, 2003, 07:32:01 PM »
Yea I think I phrashe things badly MT - in real life too people often get pissed at me at the start but we find agreemt in the end.

If I just said I thought this was a failed AA case then I dont think anyone wold have got mad mad at me too much. But spomehow me guessing he was black, BTW how could I not - essentially its the same as guessing that AA was involved because you cant have AA without a minority is the same thiong, pissed people off..