Author Topic: Opinion on Mustang GTs? (Read 4459 times)

Dowding · « **Reply #165 on:** May 15, 2003, 03:58:29 PM »

Funked - that's why I mentioned the seventies. But it seems for the last 15 years they moved to their own motors.

HBlair - No-one really cares. But why the big fuss over Moslers? Does Laz own one?

funkedup · « **Reply #166 on:** May 15, 2003, 04:02:25 PM »

Dowding, I think the Chimaera still uses the Rover/Buick motor.

Dowding · « **Reply #167 on:** May 15, 2003, 04:04:33 PM »

True. But the Cerbera doesn't. And that's the car that beat the Viper over the mile long drag, I believe, so it's a decent motor.

Furball · « **Reply #168 on:** May 15, 2003, 04:31:13 PM »

The old TVR's used Ford/Buick/Rover engines. These were unreliable and the newer TVR's use in house engines. This is probably due to the fact that they can now afford to make and develop their own.

The Chimaera and Griffith do not use in house engines because they are the old designs (along with Cerbera) that made TVR so popular now. I think they are no longer in production apart from the Cerbera.

You probably havent heard of TVR before because until more recently they were quite rare. Probably like Bristol, Noble, Lister and Caterham - which you may also not have heard of but make fantastic cars.

I only knew about them because my Dad used to really like them. Recently they have become very popular and are making much more cars because they can spend much more on development. So they do not have a long history like Aston Martin or someone.

This is why they are not in Le Mans, im not sure but i think they may have been thinking about entering the Speed 12 into the race. Speed 12 regularly beats cars in higher classes (including vipers etc.) of the Supercar race championships (cant remember its proper name)

TVR stands for 'Trevor' btw - the man that formed the company

Dowding · « **Reply #169 on:** May 15, 2003, 04:34:20 PM »

The Cerbera definitely uses the in-house designed and built Speed 8.

I like them because they are plucky little company making great cars; they are very successful considering the competition.

And there is a TVR dealership on my way to work, so I get to see them everyday.

funkedup · « **Reply #170 on:** May 15, 2003, 04:46:54 PM »

I'm more of a Lotus man myself. I'd really like either a Seven or one of the high powered Elise variants.

Furball · « **Reply #171 on:** May 15, 2003, 04:51:39 PM »

I live within spitting distance of a Lotus dealership. Exiege is a really nice car, like a souped up elise with air intake on the roof and spoiler on the back.

Lotus Espirit Turbo's are nice too, dont see many anymore tho!

Dowding · « **Reply #172 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:10:11 PM »

There's a Suburu dealership near the TVR garage. I used to marvel at that special edition they produced a while back. RB-22? I can't remember - some kind of Burns rally related promotion.

They've got some nice cheap, good condition Turbo 2000s down there now - only 14 grand. But it's the insurance I can't afford - don't hit the magic 25 year old marker until July and even then there isn't much of a reduction. It seems like a 30+ y/o car these days. Very stealable too.

Furball · « **Reply #173 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:16:31 PM »

So this is why the speed 12 didnt reach Le Mans :-

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It had been intended to run the car in the Le Mans 24 hours. It's not clear why the Speed 12 didn't make it to Le Mans but a contributory factor may be that the FIA governing body required its horsepower reduced to 660bhp from the 700-800bhp being quoted.

from http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/speed12.htm

Furball · « **Reply #174 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:17:43 PM »

damn dowding! i thought u were atleast 40!

And you need a car with a nice big backseat for when u park in those motorway layby's..........

funkedup · « **Reply #175 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:22:30 PM »

Furball the Le Mans rules really restrict the larger engines. Viper (8 liters) is subject to the same rules. Some of the Viper street variants have more power than the Le Mans version. I think this might be why cars like the Corvette and the Ferrari Maranello are now taking over the GT classes. They have smaller displacement (~5 liters) so they don't get penalized as much by the rules. Basically when somebody dominates their class for a while, the Le Mans organizers change the rules to screw them.

Same thing happens with the WRC cars too BTW. The WRC cars are limited to about 300 hp. But there are plenty of road versions of the same cars (e.g. Impreza and Lancer) pushing 400+ hp. Fortunately in WRC everybody has the same size engine (2 liters), the rules don't change often, and everybody has a level playing field.

Furball · « **Reply #176 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:25:07 PM »

spoilsports

funkedup · « **Reply #177 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:32:01 PM »

Yep, they don't want Audi and Bentley to be embarrased when a slightly modified road car beats their zillion dollar carbon fiber prototype.

hblair · « **Reply #178 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:33:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding

HBlair - No-one really cares. But why the big fuss over Moslers? Does Laz own one?

I didn't read that part. I just think the "my supercar is badder than your supercar!" arguements are like a time warp back to ninth grade.
"Lamborghini Countache is badder than Ferrarri Testarossa!"
"Is not!"
"Is too!!"
blah blah blah
I just don't get the arguing over other peoples supercars.
As if you're gonna own one some time soon.

Furball · « **Reply #179 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:24:22 PM »

*cough*

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One disappointment, however, is the Vette's skidpad performance. The track was slick that day, but .79 g is not much better than we've run in a Volkswagen Passat.

from here