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Offline Rude

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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2003, 12:20:52 PM »
I honestly don't know what is right in regards to this issue....there must be a rule of law regarding convicted criminals....just not sure I would want to stand in judgement of such an issue.
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« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2003, 12:21:22 PM »
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"  A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment.
  In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment. "

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html


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« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2003, 12:23:27 PM »
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I missed the part of Constitution where it said rights apply only to "model citizens".  :)


Shoulda stayed awake in Civics Class then huh?

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« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2003, 12:30:23 PM »
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Ya know if we stopped putting millions in jail for victimless crimes (drugs), ...


In 1991, more than 60% of ALL crime reported in the state of Ohio was drug related (burglary, theft, assault).  How is the drug industry a victimless crime?
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« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2003, 12:41:00 PM »
Said it before and likely will again, I'm all for eliminating the death penalty just as soon all cold blooded murderers are eliminated.
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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2003, 12:42:54 PM »
"burglary, theft, assault"
There is nothing "drug related" about those crimes.  Perpetrators of those crimes should be punished just like any other criminal.

As far as victimless crimes...
If a person chooses to consume a chemical or plant that the state doesn't want him to consume, how is he victimizing anyone?
If a person grows a plant in his backyard that the state doesn't want him to grow, who is he victimizing?
If an educated consenting adult buys a plant or drug from somebody, fully willing and knowing the risks, who is the victim?  
There are hundreds of thousands of people in jail for doing the things above.  A national tragedy and a horrendous waste of resources.
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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2003, 12:54:33 PM »
midnight Target: "  A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment.
  In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment. "

 Now you are talking sense! If those numbers are true, my arguments become invalid and imprisonment more efficient. BTW, both exacution and imprisonment seem awfully expensive.  How much is it for "killed while trying to escape"? :)

 Would it be OK with you if a public collected money in some exceptional cases to cover that $2.6 million gap between imprisonment an execution? Like charity, only the other way? :D

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« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2003, 01:07:09 PM »
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[B How much is it for "killed while trying to escape"? :)

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Yeah - and here in California (especially Sacramento) the jails keep getting sued for not preventing inmate suicides....
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« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2003, 01:07:30 PM »
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"  A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment.
  In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment. "

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

streamline the process.  It shouldn't cost more to try a murder suspect if the sentence asked for is death vs life imprisonment.  The trial costs should be the same.  Though I guess the argument is it's ok to have the guy with life sit in jail for awhile before we attempt to exonerate him.  He's got nothing but time.
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« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2003, 01:08:25 PM »
lol  wtg  furball
can always relie on a fellow brit to stir things up ;)

what can i say?
in the last few years here in the uk we have had people freed from jail for crimes it was found they had'nt commited.

these people would have been hung if we still had our death penalty.

we are supposed to have one of the best legal systems in the world.
we have a woman holding a sword in one hand a scales in the other and she is blindfolded.
it means that justice is blind to who you are or what you are and that the evidence will be weighed and justice will be given.

and there lies the first contradiction.
we all know that there are two laws not one.
and the justice and punishment you receive depends on your standing within your or someone elses country.

i believe child murderers should be executed. but in that case all murderers should be. murder is murder the victims are just as dead child or adult.

in these days of dna evidence there should be no mistakes made.
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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2003, 11:46:02 PM »
I'm for. I have had to deal with some of these "people". I have had to deal with the results of their actions and the survivors. I find there is a definite guarantee of no recidivism on the part of those who are executed. I find there is all too much recidivism on the part of those who are not executed. I find there is no such thing as escape proof and for those with nothing to lose there is no reason not to kill again. Nothing to lose cuts two ways, it can mean no hope or no fear of further penalty. Either way makes it no deterant NOT to kill again.
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« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2003, 10:35:42 AM »
I'm for the death penalty, but I am against Lethal Injection, Electroction, and Gas.

The most environmentally friendly method is a Hemp Rope.

Its reusable, recycleable, emits no greenhouse gasses, (as the production of electricity can cause) and no poisonous substances are used which could leech into groundwater.

The body remains relatively undamaged, so the remains can be parted out.  You can't donate the neck skin, but who needs a neck skin transplant anyway?

I'm sure this is the preferred method of Greenpeace and the Sierra Club, but I am uncertian about Amnesty International.
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« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2003, 11:07:29 AM »
The death penalty is just wrong. There are people on death row who shouldnt there. Their life isnt worth risking to satisfy the vengeance of the surviving victims in another case.

As MT stated

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And there are still over 100 cases of innocent men on death row over the past 30 years.


Most of these have been identified by 1 small group with a limited budget. Imagine if they had the same resources as the folks who sent convicted umm.

Life imprisonment maybe brutal for the wrongly accused but you havent killed him.

Most of the money spent on convicting crimanals in death penalty cases is spent by the prosecuters.

I would agree some people just need to be killed but how many innocent folks should be killed along the way?
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« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2003, 12:57:04 PM »
"We gown ta give ya a fair trial, then we gown hang ya."

-Judge Roy Bean
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