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Offline Syzygyone

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« on: May 19, 2003, 11:16:32 AM »
Hey Slo and all you Canadians, care to comment on this article?

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Posted from FrontPageMag.com

"Canada Coddles Hezbollah -- Again
By The National Post
The National Post | May 19, 2003


Canadian political and media elites have a soft spot for Hezbollah. Last December, recall, our Foreign Ministry sought to block the murderous Lebanese outfit from being branded a terrorist organization because -- notwithstanding its long list of bomb attacks against Western targets -- the group's non-military wing engages in various humanitarian and political activities. When Hezbollah was banned anyway, the CBC tried to impugn the decision. TV reporter Neil Macdonald, for instance, wondered aloud whether the group was not a "national liberation movement" unfairly smeared by "supporters" of the Jewish state (whoever those might be). CBC Radio reporter Evan Dyer, meanwhile, called Hezbollah part of the "Lebanese establishment." When later questioned whether it was not also a terrorist group, Mr. Dyer demurred that the T-word has "[no] place in journalism."

Fortunately, such Hezbollah apologism has died away in recent months -- in part thanks to the group's militant posturing. On March 13, Hezbollah's Secretary-General, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, declared his organization's slogan "was and will remain 'death to America.' " The same month, Hezbollah's television network began running music videos urging suicide attacks against U.S. forces in the region, and an Argentine court declared there was evidence that Hezbollah had helped orchestrate the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community centre in Buenos Aires that left 85 people dead. (Jeffrey Goldberg had already reported much the same thing in The New Yorker. But as late as last December, Mr. Dyer was still insisting on CBC that he was in Buenos Aires when the bombing occurred, and it "had not been pinned on Hezbollah.")

And yet, here we are again. Yesterday, the National Post reported that an asylum applicant who had helped Israel fight Hezbollah in southern Lebanon has been branded a "war criminal" by Canadian immigration authorities. The Lebanese man, identified only as "Mr. X" by the Immigration and Refugee Board, is not accused of harming Hezbollah members directly. But he did supply Israeli intelligence with names and other information about Hezbollah during the period when the Israeli army occupied part of Lebanon to prevent attacks on northern Israel. According to a lawyer from Canada's Immigration Ministry, this means Mr. X was complicit in "crimes against humanity" perpetrated against Hezbollah members by Israel and an allied militia -- including torture and murder. The IRB agreed, and Mr. X was denied asylum.

For all we know, Mr. X has already been deported to Lebanon. (Indeed, he may have already been set upon by the Hezbollah thugs Canadian refugee law was supposed to protect him from.) But if he is still on Canadian shores, we hope Mr. X appeals the IRB's decision to the Federal Court. We are not usually a fan of dilatory refugee proceedings. But this is an exception. Hezbollah is a terrorist group: Our government has already officially declared as much. Mr. X should not be barred from Canada for assisting in the fight against it.

Indeed, Mr. X is doing exactly what we would expect any Canadian citizen to do under the circumstances -- provide information to the authorities about the activities of terrorists. Rather than condemning him to a life of imprisonment, or worse, in a Lebanese jail, perhaps we should put him on the payroll of our own intelligence service."

Offline john9001

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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2003, 11:48:52 AM »
canada is now known by it's old name, "New France"

Offline Pongo

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2003, 12:04:43 PM »
I am not sure what is up with the hezbola thing.
Even more interesting. A man who fingured some hezbola terrrorists for the Isreali puppet forces in Lebanon was denied consideration as a political reffugee into canada this week. The judge ruled him as material in denying the human rights of those terrorists or something. So back to lebanon he goes..The language was very strong concerning Isreali acts of terror and crimes against humanity.
I really dont think that many canadians know what is going in regards the hezbola. But some US press has been a little more vocal in trying to normalize relations with the hezbola. There seems to be a lot of effort taking place to have them move into the good terrorist column that the IRA was in for decades in the US. Open fund raising for the IRA took place in the States for years. They were often more thought of as freedom fighters..ie good terrorists.  It is troubling though. The US deals with the PLO..wich is obviosly a terrorist orginization. Yet one that has gained alot more legitimacy in US state department eyes.

Its not just Canada. And its not just the Hezbola. Since the US claimes the right to attack any country and any place in the world that supports "terrorists" who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter becomes ever more tricky to define.

Offline Habu

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2003, 04:44:11 PM »
The article is from a Canadian newspaper. It seems everyone in Canada knows Hezbollah is bad except the Liberal Government, which about sums up politics in Canada.

Canadians are for the most part smart (with a few exceptions like SLO). Canadian politicians are totally idiotic. However the keep getting voted back in so perhaps Canadians are not as smart as we like to think we are.

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2003, 05:42:20 PM »
while I didn't read the story...
I'll give this thread a 7 for the laugh

"canuckian"   having to do with canucks
"canuckish"   being canuck-like
"cunuckism"  saying something that ends in 'eh'

Offline SLO

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2003, 08:53:07 AM »
and what now syz.......:confused:

what are you tryin to say....:cool:


john as usual shows his 5th grade attitude....

and Habu the great know it all says again I might add, that everyone is stupid but not him.....

interesting read syz.....but I won't respond with morons like them hangin around here....

Offline Syzygyone

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2003, 08:55:36 AM »
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and what now syz.......:confused:

what are you tryin to say....:cool:


john as usual shows his 5th grade attitude....

and Habu the great know it all says again I might add, that everyone is stupid but not him.....

interesting read syz.....but I won't respond with morons like them hangin around here....




But Slo, Ignore those others.  I really am interested in seeing how you guys might defend this practice.  I am sure I am missing some obvious point that you will be able to explain to me.

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2003, 09:39:04 AM »
Just a quick question...  The National Post?  I'm not familiar with that paper - is it Canadian?  The writing style seems a tad on the "National Enquirer" side of the spectrum.....

Offline Habu

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2003, 09:44:03 AM »
The National post is a credible paper but is fairly right wing in its editorial views.

It is the business paper.

Offline Makofan

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2003, 10:29:48 AM »
In Canada we can vote for:
Turkey A
Turkey B
Turkey C

All lie, all are corrupt

Or we can choose not to vote, in which case we still get stuck with one of the above :(

Offline SLO

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2003, 10:39:35 AM »
what points are you missing syz.....

btw that journalist doesn't really represent all of our opinions.....he's 1 among many others.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2003, 11:06:50 AM »
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what points are you missing syz.....

 


I was hoping you would take it upon yourself to enlighten me.

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2003, 12:01:17 PM »
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I was hoping you would take it upon yourself to enlighten me.


question is....enlighten you about WHAT.:)

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2003, 12:18:14 PM »
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question is....enlighten you about WHAT.:)


I am sure I am missing some obvious point, that you can enlighten me on, which justifiies Canadian actions as listed in the article.

Offline Pongo

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2003, 09:05:48 PM »
I subscribe to the National Post. very right wing for a canadian paper...If they had their way we would have had a draft to join the Iraq war.