COUGAR-OWNERs - don't you wanna use the FULL 100% of your gear?

[Wanker]

I must've gotten lucky, because my Cougar has worked perfectly out of the box, and I have never updated the firmware or software on it. And I got it when it first came out.

[DonULFonso]

Well, take a look at my AH set-ups (e.g found on Cougar World's "files"-section)
if you're curious to see some reason to update both your soft- and firmware...

BTW, in the included README you'll find the reason for this thread as well...

[Pongo]

[EvenStrain]

Thanks, Pongo.  Finally something of substance in this thread.

Greg

[FOGOLD]

Now you have my attention. I will be in BC in October for a wedding. How much?

[EvenStrain]

Not BC... Melbourne.  Those are the yoke plates from Ian's first run of his new U-2 gimbals (the prototype gimbals are at the top of the pic between the yoke plates and calipers).  Gonna be sweet!!

More info at the Cougar World Hardware forum.

Greg

[DonULFonso]

Originally posted by EvenStrain
Finally something of substance in this thread.

At least more substance than this update seems to have ...

It beats me why some folks tend to 'discuss' topics they don't have the slightest idea of .
At least you won't see me 'discussing' mods - simply 'cause I don't have the skills nor means for this.
It's odd you, Evenstrain, seem to think your experience with hardware (and I don't doubt your gimbals' quality)
would automatically enable you to to be an authority on the software (and programming), too .

If you come across a design flaw of the hardware then it is OK to make suggestions as to how to solve them,
but when I come across software bugs then I should better keep quiet ?

This 'logic' beats me :
Ian's gimbals (or yours) surely will solve any center-play FOGOLD might have -
however, this will not solve his current driver-issues (the reason why he wanted to sell his kitten),
and the compiler nevertheless still won't be able to compile perfectly valid code!

My reason to say that TM's high-end gear is better than (most of) the rest
simply is its unequaled programmability -
if this isn't fully given any more (mind: the Cougar's predecessors don't have such issues),
then I can't really be content with a high-end gear degraded to a pure Windows joystick,
for I never needed nor wanted such a 'naked' DirectX-device -
and TM themselves kept (and still keep) pointing out its programmability, mind!

[EvenStrain]

DonULFonso,

You assume that because my area of interest with the Cougar is hardware related that I don't know how to create programs for myself.  You assume that I believe I'm a programming guru (I'm not, and never have claimed to be).  Funny thing about the word assume... more often than not it is the first three letters of the word that reveal the character of the person doing the assuming.

You menetioned in this thread about the "censorship" over at Cougar World.  You believe a thread was removed there because CW and Thrustmaster are embarrassed by your "compiler bug".  Fact of the matter is the thread was removed because you had lowered yourself to personal attacks, including posting with obscene gestures.

What you fail to realize is that few folks care about your "compiler bug" claim.  Proof of that fact is in this thread itself.  You've had one fellow Cougar owner show interest in your AH profile, and he readily admitted that his primary reason for interest was because he'd like to see a profile that uses that much Cougar memory (I  wouldn't mind seeing something like that myself).  To be blunt, no one cares.  Yet you continue to rant on about this "serious" flaw in the Cougar.  Of the 10,000+ Cougar owners, the number of people (those with programming talents are as advanced as yours) who have encountered any kind of compiler problem can be counted on one hand.

The sad fact is you haven't much hope of getting any help with your problem any time soon.  You have made the mistake of embarrassing and ridiculing the Cougar development folks (the very same people you want to help you).  Last week you posted a Private Message from one of them (who enjoys a great deal of respect from within the Cougar community), an act that did nothing buy make us all shake our heads in amazement at your poor manners.  Your constant whining and belittling of TM and CW has forced folks to ignore you there, to the extent that you have taken your soapbox to this and other forums... where the best reception you can hope for is an apathetic collective yawn.

It's disheartening that one with your obvious programming talents is largely ignored because he can't play well with others.  One can only hope that at some point in time you'll learn the importance (and power) of working with others, rather than attacking them in an effort to get what you want.

Cheers,

Greg

[Eagler]

THe "Leopard" will only cost $800 and will be the BEST jstick money can buy ...  LOL

[DonULFonso]

Neat how you turn upsides down -
just in case you haven't realized: this is an AH forum,
hence just the right place to post an issue that mainly affects AH-setups.

Admittedly it might only affect my AH-setups due to their complexity,
but the fact remains that I expect my stick to do what the manual says it does -
nothing more, but neither anything less.
How could you deny me this right? You can't, thus you get personal.
BTW, I wonder how my comments here could be taken as flaming?
I'm a long time TM-user (almost a decade, so stop this squeakin' nonsense, will ya?!)
and always have been more than just content, a lil' flaw here or there notwithstanding -
but I'm no TM-groupie, and if that's a crime not to be one then I'm guilty, sure.
However, the current situation to me could seem nothing but ridiculous
if it wasn't downright annoying!

I have RTFM (on a sidenote: I had to - I translated it into German)
and found that much hype on the Cougar being state of the art and the new benchmark
with all its unequaled capabilities and functions and tools -
however, I must have missed this note "but please don't use these means"...

I'll just quit this thread here since I can't help but start to feel somewhat stalked
by someone who's obviously not the slightest lil' bit interested in discussing -
nor in this sim called "Aces High", I might add,
so why not let the fellow simmers make up their own minds?

[guttboy]

Whats a cougar.....?

And shane, ccvi, vulcan....and all you others dont say "a furry big toothed critter that lives in the Mts".

I am serious what the cougar thing is....work wont let me go to a link.

[SunKing]

http://www.frugalsworld.com/reviews/cougar-first-look.shtml

[SlapShot]

"What you fail to realize is that few folks care about your "compiler bug" claim. Proof of that fact is in this thread itself. You've had one fellow Cougar owner show interest in your AH profile, and he readily admitted that his primary reason for interest was because he'd like to see a profile that uses that much Cougar memory (I wouldn't mind seeing something like that myself). To be blunt, no one cares. Yet you continue to rant on about this "serious" flaw in the Cougar. Of the 10,000+ Cougar owners, the number of people (those with programming talents are as advanced as yours) who have encountered any kind of compiler problem can be counted on one hand."

That person probably was me. What I did say is that I wanted to get the MOST out of my Cougar. How much of the compiler it uses is of no concern to me ... what is of concern is that the compiler is bugged. I don't care if its just me or a handfull ... I/we want to get 100% of what I/we paid for. Why should I settle for less ?

The hardware faults within the Cougar have been easily circumvented by experts such as yourself due to the fact that you can apply hands on ... software failings and the ability to fix such failings don't have the ability to get "hands on" and are held hostage by TM.

I read the WHOLE thread before I posted and it was the next day that the thread was REMOVED from the board. I saw nothing in that thread that would justify the removal IMHO. Maybe they didn't like my post, due to the fact that I was in agreement with Ulf. Maybe they didn't like my story of their shipment/replacement of my HAT3.

I am not a champion of "Ulf's cause" because he is Ulf, I am champion of getting what I paid for. If Ulf's Aces High profile can make my experience in Aces High that much better and easier, then there should be no reason why I can't use it.

[DonULFonso]

Originally posted by SlapShot
I read the WHOLE thread before I posted and it was the next day that the thread was REMOVED from the board. I saw nothing in that thread that would justify the removal IMHO.

Maybe they just were scared of their own bluntant statements :

both Mark Mooney and James Hallows had said that TM would have been "working on an update"
with "big progress" being made and "many new features implemented"
and that an "update will be released" -

that had been their reply to my post where I simply had reported
that it had taken TM over a full half year from my first bug-report,
and that this bug-fixed BETA-compiler (which works flawlessly here)
hasn't even begun to get tested with the aim of releasing it in an update;

in the meantime, there not only hasn't been any news on such an update
(as already announced in this then deleted thread),
but what's more: David Block, the one working on the compiler,
has been laid off by TM !

What do you think would happen if I now would launch another thread ,
like "Hey, another two months have passed without any news:
what about this update you had announced?" -
"What update? What announcement? Could you please post a link?" -
yep, the link would be dead since THEY have DELETEd this thread
including these announcements ...

And fellas like Evilstrain (who don't have any idea of what we're talkin' 'bout anyway)
would again call me anything from a "liar" to a "traitor" -
yep, that's "the spirit of Cougar World" (which is why I don't answer anything there any more):
to PROMOTE the Cougar (as stated in their policy )
and keep off any potential 'harm' for this shiny idol (such as bug-reports:
the throttle-pot issue: first ignored, still not solved;
this memory-bug: first ignored, still not solved;
calibration-woes: first ignored, still not solved;
dis-connects: first ignored, still not solved;
random loss of firmware: first ignored, still not solved;
and so on...)!

Again: the thread has been DELETEd and David Block LEFT TM -
draw your own conclusions...

[EvenStrain]

Originally posted by DonULFonso
[BAnd fellas like Evilstrain (who don't have any idea of what we're talkin' 'bout anyway)[/B]

And you wonder why people ignore you... could it be that you are offensive, self-absorbed, half-informed, inflamatory, and just plain imature?

For the record here... DonULFonso's precious thread at Cougar World was removed not because it was "attacking" TM and the Cougar.  It was removed because he made a personal attack against a fellow forum member.  But he wants all to believe TM and CW are trying to "cover-up" something.

And it's spelled E-v-e-n-S-t-r-a-i-n... except for fellows like you, who lack the ability to play well with others.

Have a pleasant day,

Greg