carry on minado*quicker change*

[J_A_B]

"This game is quite historical in the items we use, why do we have to spoil it when it comes to playing it? "

Apparently this guy doesn't know what AH is.


AH doesn't attempt to re-create WW2 (or ANY past war) with its "main arena".   They just provide the players with the tools and we fight our own war.  It's not "historical" because it isn't MEANT to be "historical".

If you want a "historical" battle, try a game such as WW2OL.  If you want a game with few restrictions that lets you do pretty much whatever you want, then AH or WB's is the place to go.  I'm not paying $15 to listen to some other guy who pays $15 try to order me around.

AH most definately does have tactics involved.  These tactics aren't necessarily the same as those used in WW2, but again--this game doesn't re-create a past war!

Personally, I don't see why anyone would WANT to re-live some past war.  If I want to excperience WW2, I can go to my local library.  War is hell, and it isn't especially fun, either.  If you had a "realistic" war game, you'd be puking as you liberated the barely-living residents of a concentration camp.  Then you'd want to shoot the f***ers who did that to them.  Thank you, but that's NOT something I wish to experience in a game I play for relaxation.

AH isn't about re-creating some past conflict.  It's about simulated combat between WW2-era airplanes (and to a lesser extent ground vehicles).  Nothing more.  Badmouthing AH because it isn't "realistic" is as silly as badmouthing NASCAR because they don't drive like normal people do.  

NOTE:  Don't think for a minute that I'm some sort of "AH cheerleader".  Anyone who reads this board frequently will know that I am very often critical of AH.  You, sir, just don't get the point.  


J_A_B

[SELECTOR]

I posted origanal mail to get responce on the subject of moving the arenas along a little quicker.
but as we are on thie subject of stratigic flying and realism.
on flying formations. I have been a member of 322 viking squad which allways fly in formation when we are together. Not like the staged come and shoot me down photos posted earlyer.
on war conditions. Im no WWII expert but i do know when a town or airfield was bombed during the war it was not made operational immediatly with the appearence of a lone C47.Did you know it took (no i wont get sarcastic)
All i wanted to discuss was ways of moving the maps along on say a two daily pace.

[lazs1]

why would anyone listen to someone who thinks he can master any car in 5 minutes, can't do a barrel roll and.... has quit AH after his two week free trial and is now just lurking around?   Oh well.... if we didn't know before... now we know why there are no british flight sims.
lazs

[mosca]

I had some fun as a "Rook" last night.

We organized some squads together, and in the short time I was playing (about 2 hours) we took 3 fields, including destroying towns, etc. At that rate, I think the arena would reset very quickly.

The Rats flew in formation as best we could. No one upped without a wingie; however, with a shoot-down not being a kill, occasionally someone would re-up without a wingie, and hurry back to the action. I couldn't say if that was more or less effective tactically, but it stopped being historical when the killed pilot re-upped.

We did fly one raid of mossies and lancs/17s in _really_ sloppy formation. Everyone as groaning about it, but good naturedly, since we're still learning. It turned out to be unimportant, since we were overkill at target zero. We tried, but just couldn't seem to pull together.

I can't say what might help SELECTOR's request. Maybe better coordination between squads?

I know from reading your other posts, FlyingDuckSittingSwan, that you speak thoughtfully. The arena can be whatever you want it to be. (Do I sound like Willie Wonka here?) Sometimes I want to be part of a mission. Sometimes I want to fly around and get shot down. Both are available. I know that you aren't going to sign up; however, you may also be the solution to the problem you perceive. Why not join up and organize like-minded players? If the historical tactics are superior, then the rest of us will supply some inviting targetry.

I can't comment on scenario play; my life is too full to accomodate large blocks of time to the game. However, there are a large number of players that ONLY fly scenarios, for the same reason you distain the MA; they like the challenge of "kill" = "fly no more" that gives wing and group tactics a true advantage.

FDSS, do what's right for you. If you choose AH, I know that you will be one of the players helping to make it better.

Mosca

[muckmaw]

I have to say I agree with what FDSS says on some level. I like strategic bombing, formation flying, and well planned, thought out missions. Not to say this works in AH, but it's nice to try.

But geez, man. You're a 2 week, free trial, already got his bellybutton out the door, newb.

With posts like you've been laying down, who the hell would follow you in ANY mission?

You walk in, spend 2 weeks, get pissed beacuse you can't pull a split S, and start telling the vets how the game should be!
Meanwhile, you've got guys in here who've devoted years to this game, and they're still on the learning curve. One thing I've learned in this game, and in life; respect is earned. Play anyway you like, but mind yourself when telling others how things "Should be"
You seem to be a bright guy. Either get in, or get out, but spend some time learning the game before you spout off about the "World according to Flying Duck"

And as far as Comraderie, Bravery, and sacrifice, you have NO IDEA what your talking about. There's plenty of that to go around here. Squad, or no squad, I've found many pilot to work with. You just have to spend more than 2 weeks learning who's who

[ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: Muck ]

[Sunchaser]

lazs,
I cannot believe it took you almost 24 hours to nail this guy.

Good one though.

BTW, aren't BOB and Mig Alley British flightsi....oops nevermind.