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Offline milnko

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« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2003, 08:59:47 AM »
I maybe mistaken, and I don't assume to answer
 for Manedew, but I believe he is referring to the many tests the military has conducted on un-suspecting and non-consenting troops.

Testing included but wasn't limited to:

1. the effects of radiation exposure

2. troop effectiveness after consumption of LSD.

The military has also denied any relationship between Agent Orange and the alarmingly high cancer rate (and many other reported illnesses) among Vietnam Vets

Gulf War syndrome.
Also denied by the military that there is any link between the 1st Gulf War and the many reported illnesses by vets believed exposed to biological  fallout from Iraq's destroyed "milk factories".

I think I understand Manedew's reply of respecting the people serving in the military, but not trusting the military.

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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2003, 01:43:45 PM »
I thought I was pretty clear ... "They"  the US military (and goverment for that matter) should not be trusted ..

Many, and I mean many, people attribute Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) to DU ammunition ... they also attribute it to the staggering increase of cancer rates in Iraq since 1991.

These days I trust "them" less than anytime in my life.... there's just something in the air... and I think alot of you can smell it.

This military which often ignores it's vets, and won't even admit that GWS exsists or that agent ornge was bad ....

What scarey to me is that American mass media is quickly becomeing bedfellows with them... oh wait I mean embedded.  This was the major power check, good reporters keep the military in check, but they will likely not be heard any longer on any large to medium-sized networks if the FCC vote passes.  Last few years when the FCC lifted the ownership restrictions on radio, all the high power stations across the country were quickly bought up by conglomrates like Clear Channel.  This next vote would enable ownership of all major networks under one company, even all newspapers and radio could be owned by very few people .... Most people who think about it can see lack of diversity in media ownership is bad.  This contributes to my lack of trust too.
 
.... some of us more educated computer dweebs can get our news from other sources, but most americans can't, or won't.

If you mean by trust in our ability to win a war of attrition... I'd never argue, USA would kick bellybutton and has... but other wars ..... Wars like Veitnam, that for the most part was not a war of attrition, we will proably lose.  If you have gurrellia fighters, fighting your troops IMHO it's not a place you should be attackiong unless you truley reguard yourself as a conquerer.

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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2003, 02:28:20 PM »


I found that on the Internet and was itching to use it, so I came here and immediately posted it on the first Ripsnort thread I saw.  :p
« Last Edit: May 29, 2003, 02:36:18 PM by gofaster »

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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2003, 03:26:02 PM »
Interesting that they included 'Bush' in the POSITIVE replies.. :p

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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2003, 04:05:52 PM »
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Originally posted by Manedew
If you mean by trust in our ability to win a war of attrition... I'd never argue, USA would kick bellybutton and has... but other wars ..... Wars like Veitnam, that for the most part was not a war of attrition, we will proably lose.  If you have gurrellia fighters, fighting your troops IMHO it's not a place you should be attackiong unless you truley reguard yourself as a conquerer.


Obviously you think it was the military that "lost" the Vietnam war.  I'm not talking about doctored casualty reports, or pentagon level politcal bs.  I suppose you think that the Tet Offensive was a major military victory for the NVA and VC too.  If you think that the American military could not have "won" the Vietnam war, you need to go study some history.  

You are, apparently, a very very bitter person with a significant degree of paranoia about all things goverment.  That's fine, pathetic, but fine nonetheless.  However, in the future, might I repsectfully suggest that, in your next condemnation post, you differentiate between diatribes against political insittutions, in which the PENTAGON is certainly included, and the actual on the ground military combat unit.

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« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2003, 04:09:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Nash

Actually, upon a re-read of the article it seems pretty clear that "trust" means "confidence", as those two words are used interchangeably. If that's the case, I would think it'd be hard to argue that the military isn't worthy of it. You point those guys at something and it's pretty dang likely that they're gonna kick booty.

If you think "trust" is meaning something else here.... what is it and what would be an example of it?



Nash is EGGGSAKLY RIIIIIIIIIGHT!

and he has the coolest avatar too!

So Manedew, go whine somewhere where someone might give a sh#t!

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Re: You obviously miss the point!
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2003, 04:11:21 PM »
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Obviously you think it was the military that "lost" the Vietnam war.  


Obviously they did.

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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2003, 04:13:47 PM »
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Obviously they did.


LOL! You are just as obviously wrong as Manedew. :p :p
American political and Pentagon leaders kept the military from doing what it took to win the war.  The military didn't lose it!

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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2003, 05:13:05 PM »
Trust the military?
What next, trust the CIA?

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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2003, 05:14:33 PM »
Be quiet foreigner or we will bomb you again.... You know how the US army just loves to bomb brown people!  ;)

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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2003, 05:17:45 PM »
I was raped by a howitzer

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Re: You obviously miss the point!
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2003, 05:36:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
You are, apparently, a very very bitter person with a significant degree of paranoia about all things goverment.  That's fine, pathetic, but fine nonetheless.  However, in the future, might I repsectfully suggest that, in your next condemnation post, you differentiate between diatribes against political insittutions, in which the PENTAGON is certainly included, and the actual on the ground military combat unit.



Personal attack.
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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2003, 08:17:13 PM »
<-- ex navy

military gets a big ZERO on the trust o meter.

the republic side of our government gives the military way to much unaccounted for power.

google us military scandals


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&domains=fark.com&q=us+military+scandals&spell=1



177,000 hits :)
military is a nessisary evil sorry but its true.

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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2003, 08:20:58 PM »
Thats why being a mercenary is better.

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Re: You obviously miss the point!
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2003, 08:40:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
You are, apparently, a very very bitter person with a significant degree of paranoia about all things goverment.  That's fine, pathetic, but fine nonetheless.


Why do you draw that conclusion?