Author Topic: Airhead (Read 1981 times)

Airhead · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2003, 10:49:07 PM »

Gee, I thought Doc Doom was a comic book villan, not a game developer. Now concerning Lazs, I've met him and like and respect him. He's outspoken in his opinions, but he's not one to blow smoke up your bellybutton and fake it, so I believe his opinions are his sincere opinions.Doesn't mean he's always right, doesn't mean he's always politically correct- but if you met the guy you'd respect his opinions as being those formed by his personal experiences. A rare commodity nowadays.

DrDea · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2003, 11:03:52 PM »

ok,exactly what do so many of you guys have against docdoom?

wtf did he do to you that you have to insult him unprovoked?

Well lets see.I was one of the priveleged few to many that got to pay to beta test a boxed pieca crap.Most of the stuff on the box wasnt even in the game as it said it was.I tried it.Found it lacking,turned down the free try us again we wont bone you in the bellybutton THIS time trial and counted myself lucky to be rid of it.AH has blown me away by continuously asking what needs done.I remember HT himself coming into the game to do Q and A on bugs.To me thats service.To me,ww2OL started out a lie and will NEVER get another chance from this guy.Screw me once shame on you,twice?Fuhgiddahbout it.

demon061 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2003, 12:09:16 AM »

I love WWIIOL, Doc is a good guy, he's a bit outspoken at times, but a good guy in my experience. He does great terrain work too ]; )
ireg, is one of our main sources for German and other vehicle data. He's not a CRS employee, but he is an exhaustive researcher with access to (I'm pretty sure) all of the German armed forces archives, which is real handly ]= )

Really, why go off and flame Drdrea? If you don't like the game, bummer for you, but don't drag this thread down.

Hmm, I may try aces high as soon as my new computer is working (power supply died }= ( )

!S

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2003, 10:22:32 AM »

In the past... doomie had access to really really secret german archives for flight models.. in fact... he was the only man in the world with access. if you could do a search on AGW when he was at his pontificating best you would instantly see what I mean by blowhard and liar. I doubt that he has changed just as I doubt that WWIIOL has turned over an new leaf.

Any data that doomie comes up with is suspect. If there are other developers and or players that are keeping him honest then that is good but... he still taints anything he is involved with. seriously.... you haven't noticed an ego problem there? no? give it time.
lazs

chaunsey · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2003, 05:42:52 PM »

dr drea,its not the rats fault the game was uncomplete.

strategy first(quality second) forced them to release a year or 2 early.

otherwise everythnig and more would be in the game by release.

just go take a look at toher strategy first games, they force release every game they produce.

go try hearts of iron,play the original boxed version and tell me how complete it is.
or gi combat or a number of others i heard of that i cant recall at this moment.

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give it time.

2 years isnt enough?

im not calling you a liar,but so far i have no experience of him lying or any kind of ego problems.

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I doubt that WWIIOL has turned over an new leaf.

theyve added well over 200 new towns since release,about 30 new vehicles or so,new capture systems,attrition,FAR better graphics.FAAAAAAR better performance.
they ported the graphics engine over to DX 8.1 wich is huge in itself,and they are porting over to opengl in about 2 weeks wich will allow much faster graphics updates and many cool new features along with better performance.

the game is overall improved 1000 times over,it still has plenty of issues but to say it has not changed ALOT is just plain ignorant.

Mini D · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2003, 06:05:10 PM »

Umm... that "strategy first forced them into it" crap lost its punch about a year ago. Of course, it is proving to be the most convenient excuse for most.

I know WW2OL has improved. It has to have improved because there's no way it could have been worse. As for the 2 extra years that were needed to develop it... look at the box and tell me if the game even today has all of what was advertised back then.

Developers and publishers alike were making grandiose claims for a product that did not yet exist. They continue to do so... only now to a much more captive audience that has always proven their desire to believe whatever promise is currently being made.

I won't speak to the quality of the game today. I haven't played it for about 3 months. I will say that CRS and Strategy First are two companies that have alot to learn about 1) making promises and 2) delivering on them.

MiniD

DrDea · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2003, 07:21:23 PM »

I dont concider voicing my opionion about a game I paid to beta a flame as you put it,I concider it my right.To put down money for something that was a blatent lie should have seen the rats sued for all kinds of reasons.Hey if the game is incomplete,say so on the box.Dont convince thousands that its the next best thing to sliced bread and then leave them stuck wondering what in the hell they paid 19.99 for.They should have at the least offered to refund the box price to those that wanted it.

Rutilant · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2003, 08:19:29 PM »

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Originally posted by chaunsey
they ported the graphics engine over to DX 8.1 wich is huge in itself,and they are porting over to opengl in about 2 weeks

LOL!

Not saying I doubt it, but..

LOL!

Come on guys

Sparrow · « **Reply #23 on:** June 09, 2003, 01:51:00 AM »

They did do something for the players. They didn't charge a monthly fee until november if I remember correctly. Considering June was a free month that means quite a few people got four months free. Which comes out about the same as the box price was. Not to mention it is partially the consumer's responsibility to educate himself on what he's paying for. Lord knows there were more than enough bad reviews at the beginning and people screaming about the game.

Strategy First has, at least around people I know, gained a reputation for forcing products to release early. And there was that one infamous case where they released an alpha client....

Having the box right here about the only glaring things missing are fortresses and ships as in the plural. There is a second ship, Z.1 Destroyer(1934), that hasn't been released to the public but should be in the upcoming 1.9.x tree along with the Le Hardi and Javelin class in the pipeline. The only place infantry machine-guns are listed is in the manual. Which I believe TechPubs never did receive proper compensation from those wonderful people at Strategy First.

The reason for the quick port is that the Mac client was already running under OpenGL API. But I realize the smartie pants around here were already aware of that. Does Aces High have a Mac client?

Vulcan · « **Reply #24 on:** June 09, 2003, 02:38:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Sparrow
Does Aces High have a Mac client?

What for? Mac owners are either gay or rampant anti-violence/anti-war teachers

Lazs, let it go dude. You got your message across, repeating it like this only drags you down to the level you put him on. None of the ww2ol guys were putting him on a pedestal in this thread, can't you let them have a decent conversation?

Imsneaky, I like the KoTH idea. But one thing I think ww2ol is a touch of the old AH bombing of assets at locations (ie field hangars, vehicle hangars, fuel and ordanance supplies). If they added targetable assets at towns which affected spawnability of certain items it'd make things a whole lot more interesting. For example, hitting fuel supplies might degredate the armour list, or hitting ammo supplies might reduce the number of spawnable sappers/ATGs etc.

People should try both games more, you get some interesting ideas from both, and often combinations of these ideas would work a treat.

Sparrow · « **Reply #25 on:** June 09, 2003, 02:48:31 AM »

See if I said anything like that about macs where rickb(wwiionline dev) could see it I'd be spawning in with some rainbow icon over my head. Most likely visible to both sides knowing my luck.

I doubt Mo would mind bad things happening to crazy halfbreeds who always post about when are the Italians going to enter the game.

Nice post Vulcan.

chaunsey · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2003, 12:58:58 AM »

actually vulcan,next patch theyre adding factories,when we bomb these factories it slows down research development and production.

its sorta simple for now,but theyre going to add alot mroe detail to it so maybe you'll want to check that out sometime.

lol,rutilant,just noticed that,that was just my guess,but i shoulda just said "SOON".

drdrea,for your original box price there was 4 months given free as sparrow pointed out,and also there have been numerous welcome back programs where you had extra free play to try the game out again.

so you got alot of free play with the game if you bought it back then.

mini-D everything on the box is in the game except for plural ships (next patch or 2) and lmg's.

and you are only counting by the box,what about the many other things theyve added that arent on the box?

anyway,the RCE edition box no longer claimed lmg's and navy,so not since early on have promised features not been added.

Mini D · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:57:55 AM »

If you have to spend so much time talking about what's going to be added... you should really ask yourself why. BTW... you do realize the irony of being able to bomb a factory and "slow research and development"?

As for having more than what is listed... that's expected. Surely they can't list everything. But, once again, they still don't have all of the items they did chose to list.

Oh yeah... they publisher made them do it.

MiniD

DrDea · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2003, 11:37:54 AM »

Sorry buddy.4 months of crap to me is still 4 months of crap.I somehow dont feel like I got a bargin there in ANY way shape or form.Just because they,as Im sure they feel,Threw me a bone by extending the free trial doesnt make the matter that they sold garbage any less of a factor..Giving MORE garbage free doesnt make that remotly close to even in my book.Like I said.They should have done the honest thing and offered refunds.No matter how long ya give it free,Crap is crap.How long has it been till there "Close" to having everything in the game they professed to have on the original box?

Drunky · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2003, 12:44:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
BTW... you do realize the irony of being able to bomb a factory and "slow research and development"?

ROFLMAO