Author Topic: Poll time: F4U4 and 152 (Read 1478 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 06, 2003, 02:39:55 PM »

well actually.... you trying would be.... fun.. I know my squaddies apreciate your effort.
lazs

Widewing · « **Reply #31 on:** June 06, 2003, 03:25:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Zippatuh
…stall fighting capability able to eat up Yaks…

I would have to disagree with this wholeheartedly. When we first got the -4 I found a lot of people trying to turn fight the thing like it was a stall fighter. It’s not. It’s the same hog just a bit faster and more prop torque. Get down to low, slow, and stalling with a bit of fuel in her belly and the prop will throw you into the ground quicker than the con.

A squadmate and I took a Yak-9U and the F4U-4 to the TA and worked on stallfighting. Both took off with 25% fuel. At 100-120 mph, the 4Hog has MUCH better control during 2 G maneuvering. The Yak had a tendency towards controls reversal, leading to a flat spin. On the other hand, the 4Hog merely required a slight easing of back pressure to avoid rolling into the low wing. Also worth mentioning was the remarkable rudder authority of the 4Hog. You can reverse your turn with rudder alone, whereas any significant opposite rudder input would send the Yak into a flat spin. Torque was less of an issue with the Corsair than with the Yak, and it was easy to counteract with a bit of rudder.

At 100-120 mph, the 4Hog OWNS the Yak-9U. In any really low-speed scissors fight, the 4Hog is better than the Yaks, La-7, P-51, 109, 190 and so on.

My regards,

Widewing

Widewing · « **Reply #32 on:** June 06, 2003, 03:36:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Frost
Widewing...I know you tested the -4 against the G-10 in acceleration at sea level and they were identical. I'd be interested to see them tested against eachother at higher alts. I think the -4 would start to fall back. At sea level the speed and climb are pretty nice but it starts to fall behind a number of planes higher up.

Same test, this time at 25,000 feet. 25% fuel, fuel burn at .001. adjust throttle until speed is steady at 200 mph. Apply full power and WEP. Record time to get to 300 mph. The 109G-10 did not have gondolas.

Results:

Bf 109G-10: 35 seconds
F4U-4: 33 seconds

At 25k, the advantage, although slight, goes to the Corsair, and for maneuvering, the Corsair is much better at any speed. Especially up high where the 109 gets into compressibility at considerably lower speeds than the F4U-4.

My regards,

Widewing

devious · « **Reply #33 on:** June 06, 2003, 06:24:32 PM »

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Originally posted by moot
strictly stall limit radius speaking, the 152 doesnt outturn either ponies, jugs or hogs.

At 300mph+ it feels like you can always outturn said enemies. I don't have exact test data, but attacks on P51,hog and jug seem easier than against a LA7 or N1K.

When getting too fast, Immelmann and come back again. 1:1, you'll kill the 51/f4u/p47.

Hajo · « **Reply #34 on:** June 06, 2003, 06:28:16 PM »

Don't see a reason to perk either one of them. The disparity between the 152 and -4 and other late war craft isn't that great, unless you want to fly the 152 at 40K and shoot down spacecraft on re-entry.

Manedew · « **Reply #35 on:** June 06, 2003, 07:49:23 PM »

got 20 kills in f4u4 last night (one sortie) .... trust me, it's uber

SunKing · « **Reply #36 on:** June 06, 2003, 07:55:12 PM »

I agree with most but leave the jet at 200 perks to fly. The amount we see in the MA now is perfect.

bj229r · « **Reply #37 on:** June 07, 2003, 08:43:59 AM »

Gotta agree about the perk-tag thing...like playin 'smear the queer' on football field..EVERYONE is after you---and utterly bogus to know difference from, say, spit14 and spit9 at 6k..(how different are they up close?)...and does F4u4 have ANY readily obvious differences from F4d? mebbe have different paint schemes for perk rides, if there HAS to be a difference...at least THAT wont show up till ya a few hundred out

Frost · « **Reply #38 on:** June 07, 2003, 09:07:52 AM »

Manedew...there are people out there that have probably landed that many in a 205. Doesn't mean the 205 needs to be perked.

The -4 probably needs to be perked, but the cost is too high for the performance of the plane relative to the performance of some of the nonperked planes. Can't really compare it to the performance of the perked planes cause of the 152

Wilbus · « **Reply #39 on:** June 07, 2003, 06:03:59 PM »

The Ta152 in AH is a Ta152 H-1 in every way except for preformance above 35k where the GM1 is undermodelled, drasticly undermodelled or just modelled with it's poorest performance.

As for TA152 being like a LA7 performance wise is wrong, LA7 is 25mph faster at the deck and climbs alot better.

Duedel · « **Reply #40 on:** June 07, 2003, 06:11:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
As for TA152 being like a LA7 performance wise is wrong, LA7 is 25mph faster at the deck and climbs alot better.

... and turns better and accelerate better and handles better and...

streetstang · « **Reply #41 on:** June 07, 2003, 07:36:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Manedew
got 20 kills in f4u4 last night (one sortie) .... trust me, it's uber

wowk, what about the guys who land 22 kills in 38s and we wont even mention the La7s now?!?!? Do those a/c get perks too. I think that a plane like the La7 should be perked because any retard can get in and fly em. Hogs are one of the few planes in here which to take a decient level of skill to fly and be sucessful in. And while we are on the subject of planes that arent and should be perked,,, NIK Vs Chog... Perfect example. We had the Chog perked because of it leathal guns. Ok fine..... Now we have those same guys who sprayed rounds of 20mm all over the sky now in NIKs doing the same. Is the NIK perked??? NOPE. The perked rides in here are so over looked and over estamated its not even funny. The planes that should be perked arent, and the ones that take some level of skill to fly are give 70-80 perks!!! (ie F4U-4)
Jeffer<>

F4UDOA · « **Reply #42 on:** June 08, 2003, 11:55:12 AM »

Widewing,

Was that Corkey Meyer who flew the F4U-4 for Grumman?

You wouldn't happen to have any other info on that report or interview?

I just ran into Bob McClurg from the Blacksheep squadron over the weekend at the Reading Pa WW2 Airshow. He has a new book coming out. It is very hard to get subjective aircraft opinions from those guys. The more you talk to them the more you realize the were just regular guys (very Young) who were doing a job. The Aircraft were really secondary to survival and friends.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #43 on:** June 08, 2003, 11:56:43 AM »

BTW,

I have test data on the -4 that makes ours look like it's flying with bricks in the trunk.

Nothing will change however until we get rid of the perk tags/bulleyes.

SirLoin · « **Reply #44 on:** June 08, 2003, 12:10:40 PM »

The perk costs are fine,they vary anyways with side numbers...But it's time to GET RID of the PERK TAGS.

Perk tags are too much like BOLD WORDS in a sentence or paragraph.