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davidpt40 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 09, 2003, 06:47:49 AM »

IIRC, wasn't Russia sending Jews to Siberian Gulags from 1930s-1950s?

July 23, 1944
Soviet troops arrive at Majdanek concentration camp.

January 17, 1945
Nazis evacuate Auschwitz; prisoners begin "death marches" toward Germany.

January 27, 1945
Soviet troops enter Auschwitz.

April 1945
U.S. troops liberate survivors at Buchenwald and Dachau concentration camps.

May 5, 1945
U.S. troops liberate Mauthausen concentration camp.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but it seems the U.S. and Soviet troops more or less stumbled upon concentration camps rather than directly engaging them.

Does anyone know of any death-camps liberated by the Russians? All I can find is Russians 'liberating' empty camps.

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If those huge battles werent taking place in the east and tying up the vast majority of German land and air forces how many people do you think the western allies could save?

Don't forget that U.S. was tying up lots of Germans in Italy and with strategic bombing campaign.

ramzey · « **Reply #16 on:** June 09, 2003, 07:00:42 AM »

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Originally posted by davidpt40
IIRC, wasn't Russia sending Jews to Siberian Gulags from 1930s-1950s?

poles, ukrainian , belorussioan, estonian, german, russian,. lithunian............... too
world not circling aroud jews only.

When germans was push back on eastern front most of death camps was destroyed to hide evidence about mass murder.
Most of peoples was killed and burned , and ashes was hide. Same as mass graves.
All prisoners who alive was forced to dead walks, same as later or moved by trains to west.

All death camps who liberate allies /western and estern/ germans not have time to destroy and hide evidences. Cuz armys move to fast and not give them time to do this and beucose som workers was still need.
This people have luck and stay alive.

ramzey

fd ski · « **Reply #17 on:** June 09, 2003, 07:05:11 AM »

david,
difference between camps in poland and those in germany which US has liberated, was the fact that from those there wasn't really anywhere to withdraw to. From poland you can take slave workers to Germany and work them to death there. From germany where are you going to take them ? Poland ? Russians already there

My grandparents were slave laborers in Wolfsburg, VW factory

They met there and my father was born there after the war. They didn't repatriate till 1946. Things weren't quite very fast then

For some darn reason, they won't give me a discount on VWs now

But back to your original point: yes, some germans were quite evil, not all of them, some. They managed to industralize what other nations done quietly and inefficiently - killing off innocents. German efficiency i guess. Every nation has a scelleton in its closet. After the war there were quite many murderes of germans in poland in reprizals. Supposidly some of the concentration camps were "reopened" with germans as "guests". Then there are issues of anti-semitism, poland, russia, germany, whole europe. Yes, it existed, and to some extend, still exists. However, your teacher's premise that Russians' were as anti-semitic as germans is incorrect. Purges of jews didn't start till much later after the war, and lots of them were allowed to emigrate to Israel and US, something that average Russian would give a left nut for

Gulags were for dissidents of all sorts. Anti-communists, intelectuals, anyone who needed to be "put away"

Fishu · « **Reply #18 on:** June 09, 2003, 07:13:36 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you fully supported the recent Iraq war then?

I support liberation of the Iraqi civilians and kicking saddam to hell, but I do really critisize the way it was 'advertised'.
The hypocricy involved in the 'advertising' of the war campaign has been sickening.
I cannot fully support the hypocritical goverments however.
Once goverment is proven to be highly hypocritical in achieving the goals, you never know what will be their next task or what they do aside the public knowledge.
There will always be hypocricy in the politics, but what matters is how widely it'll be used in politics and what is to be achieved with it.

blue1 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 09, 2003, 08:01:12 AM »

QUOTE]Originally posted by NUKE
I love how you get all defensive and feel the need to "remind" us that other countries took part in the war. davidpt40 wasn't saying only America, Russia and Germany fought, he was only posting about what he saw on the historty channel...... moron.

Thanks for the history lesson. Until just now I didn't realise that other countries fought in WWII. [/QUOTE]

Moron?????

What gives you the right to be abusive Nuke?????

I wasn't reminding you because you clearly know eveything already. I simply corrected a couple of points he made and the statement that Americans liberated/saved most people. Everyone credits America with it's contribution to the effort. America lost 202,000 dead and 640.000 wounded in WW2. Terrible figures but among the lowest suffered by any nation involved in the war.

In recent years it is irritating the way some Americans believe that they won the war on their own with a little help from a few allies. This is particularly annoying to the Brits who played no small part in the liberation.

I mentioned Afghanistan too because it's all been conveniently forgotten already that not just America took part, even the French helped out.

Not a criticism of Americans or DavidPt40 simply an attempt at clarity.

If that makes me a moron then so be it.

NUKE · « **Reply #20 on:** June 09, 2003, 08:32:41 AM »

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Originally posted by blue1
QUOTE]Originally posted by NUKE
I love how you get all defensive and feel the need to "remind" us that other countries took part in the war. davidpt40 wasn't saying only America, Russia and Germany fought, he was only posting about what he saw on the historty channel...... moron.

Thanks for the history lesson. Until just now I didn't realise that other countries fought in WWII.

Moron?????

What gives you the right to be abusive Nuke?????

I wasn't reminding you because you clearly know eveything already. I simply corrected a couple of points he made and the statement that Americans liberated/saved most people. Everyone credits America with it's contribution to the effort. America lost 202,000 dead and 640.000 wounded in WW2. Terrible figures but among the lowest suffered by any nation involved in the war.

In recent years it is irritating the way some Americans believe that they won the war on their own with a little help from a few allies. This is particularly annoying to the Brits who played no small part in the liberation.

I mentioned Afghanistan too because it's all been conveniently forgotten already that not just America took part, even the French helped out.

Not a criticism of Americans or DavidPt40 simply an attempt at clarity.

If that makes me a moron then so be it. [/B][/QUOTE]

So you took the orignial post and inferred it was about Americans thinking we won the war alone. The Post wasn't about Arghanistan either, but thanks for reminding us of that too.

Maybe you need to be a little less sensitive.

gofaster · « **Reply #21 on:** June 09, 2003, 08:38:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Animal
I understand this point, but why drop two of them?

One was certainly more than enough.

Because Japan wanted to maintain the sovereignity of the emperor and USA didn't. So we dropped a second bomb.

blue1 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 09, 2003, 09:27:41 AM »

I'm not sensitive Nuke. My country didn't fight in the war (officially) even if the Luftwaffe did accidentally bomb my great Uncles house!

I simply corrected a couple of errors which you interpreted as slights against Americans. The reminders I think were needed. We all know where you stand and your knowledge of these events but not everyone is as well informed or as sensitive to perceived criticism as you are.