Author Topic: What has happened to AH? (Read 5198 times)

ccvi · « **Reply #135 on:** June 09, 2003, 12:32:52 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Augers are part of K/D go ahead and test it yourself plus of course so are deaths to ack during suicide rund of undefended bases.

Tried it. You're right. Still, not many auger near buildings in fighter mode - that doesn't score perks. Also, a fight that ends with an auger near a building is a lost fight against a buidling. Can't see anything wrong with that - except that if someone loses that kind of fights regularaly training is even more required than when someone loses a2a fights

lazs2 · « **Reply #136 on:** June 09, 2003, 12:39:31 PM »

K/T is not a meaningless stat. You can't get a high K/T by vultching because... it is allmost impossible to guarentee that you will find a vultch. The nature of vultching requires that you have air superiority and that the ack is down and that you are able to get the kills before all the other vultchers do... this in itself requires some pretty impressive acm... also ... finding the vultch is pretty much luck with these far apart fields. what you go after is nothing like what you find when you get there.. to many variables to make vultching a viable way to achieve a high K/T stat. You might be able to improve your K/t for a night or two by lucky vultch noights but overall....

add a high K/T with a high K/D and you can pretty much say that you have a very aggressive and talented player..

As for not getting a lot of kills because you let your wingman get em all... what a wuss. in the BK's it is a point of honor to steal the kill from each other... but none of that matters.... the most skilled and most agressive will get the highest K/T. If your partner get's it then you need to sharpen up a bit. If you are in pony then you have lost the K/T thing before you even start anyway in most cases.

and hubert.... I don't want or need your cooperation... you are a non factor in any arena I am in.

K/t of 10 is fairly easy to get in the smaller maps or in lucky nights in the infinity or pizza.
lazs

Widewing · « **Reply #137 on:** June 09, 2003, 12:45:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Individaul K/T means a lot, its a sign of agressivness and risk taking - both of which are vital to skill development and learning in this game.

It can also mean that the guy is a professional vulcher too.....

I can land 10-15 kills in a 190A-8 just by following the horde and vulching the crap out of the field. K/T is too easily manipulated.

My regards,

Widewing

Yeager · « **Reply #138 on:** June 09, 2003, 12:54:31 PM »

Man I tell you....the average AI fella in FB is in far better condition than the average AH Schmoe. Thats almost funny.

ccvi · « **Reply #139 on:** June 09, 2003, 12:54:47 PM »

This threat is about running.

You can't prove that someone is a runner by his score.

gofaster · « **Reply #140 on:** June 09, 2003, 01:20:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
What is considered a decent K/T?*

* Not a troll, please oh please.. someone give me a straight answer!

I have no clue, but I'm sure mine is in the crapper. It takes awhile for Zeroes to reach the enemy base.

gofaster · « **Reply #141 on:** June 09, 2003, 01:22:13 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
K/T is not a meaningless stat. You can't get a high K/T by vultching because... it is allmost impossible to guarentee that you will find a vultch.

Its not so hard on the AKDesert Pizza map. There are plenty of Vehicle Bases with spawn points right next to each other. Its just a matter of being quicker on the draw than the other guy.

Batz · « **Reply #142 on:** June 09, 2003, 01:43:48 PM »

ccvi you are an idiot. You make assumption that are irrelevant. I know who the runners as I fought them. One of the loudest in this thread is a runner and I have fought him numerous times. Not only does he have a lo KD but a k/t as well.

You dont know ****. Augers do count against kd. Guys will high kills per time get in more fights then their kill per time shows.

So stfu.

K/t could mean a vulcher who doesnt fight at all but just vulched. But again I have seen Urchin fight. No assumption and screwy math is needed.

You are just making **** up.

Gruen is right. There are guys with a lo k/t and a high kd. Guys who fly high and engage from an advantage but get kills.

Theres guys with a high Kill per time who have a lo k/d. These are the furballers who up fight to the death then reup again.

theres the timid Bore and ZZZZZZZZZZZZ'rs that make half assed gun passes then run. Their kd and kts are lo.

The ones arguing against Urchins point are the ones with lo kds and lo kts. But on top of that theres real arena experince to back up my point. So piss off with your bs assumptions and magic math.

Intimidate other posters? Hell if they are intmidated they oughta butch up. Not only on the board but ingame as well. Every attempt "to bash batz" has ended up with you being corrected for your assinine assumptions.

SlapShot · « **Reply #143 on:** June 09, 2003, 01:58:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You're correct, TW9. The most important elements of successful BnZ are aggressiveness and unpredictability, two features sorely lacking from the HO-and-run gang. I have no qualms whatsoever with facing a skilled BnZer. In fact, it's a treat when you see someone who knows his ride well enough and displays enough confidence to fly it aggressively while BnZing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Those guys are far and few between !!!

Batz · « **Reply #144 on:** June 09, 2003, 02:11:24 PM »

Whats important is folks keep the discussion in the context of the thread.

Urchins says Bore and ZZZZ runners make for a dull arena

3 or 4 guys call him a whiner and say that bore and zzzz is the only smart way to fly. Smart implies something.

Compare stats like k/d and k/t with the guys who claim Bore and zzz is the only way to fight shows that they dunno what the heck they are talking about.

These stats are supported by ingame experience. Namely being there when the guys run.

No one said any of these are strict indicators of skill, they do give a reasonable idea of fighting style especially when back by experience.

People can fly how they want and find their fun how they want. But dont get surprised or fake outrage when folks call you boring.

Hajo · « **Reply #145 on:** June 09, 2003, 05:00:40 PM »

Lazs.....logged on this morning (EDST) and had to look up! Neck was getting sore.......bogeys were in the 25K range and me in a low Jug. Not conducive to safe flying when there are 4 of them that high...and you're the low Jug at 12K. Were some fun fights, but I got tired of dodging the re entry level ftrs.......so I decided to get to 20K also. Heck...still lower but it was fun.

And at A 215 this afternoon 3PM till about 6PM was fighting La7s, and ponies that would make a HO pass..........run.........com e back later....say 5 mins or so when you're engaged. Then you'd get their 6...............then they'd run again.

That's certainly is using their craft to their advantage......but makes for boring gameplay imho.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #146 on:** June 09, 2003, 05:11:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Hajo

That's certainly is using their craft to their advantage......but makes for boring gameplay imho.

No they certainly are not, especially in the case of the La7 with its close in accel and great climb - running away is a real waste. These peole suck, its that simple.

Arlo · « **Reply #147 on:** June 09, 2003, 05:18:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
ccvi you are an idiot. You make assumption that are irrelevant. I know who the runners as I fought them. One of the loudest in this thread is a runner and I have fought him numerous times. Not only does he have a lo KD but a k/t as well.

*whiiine* Sniiiifle* whiiiine*

Neh, you are. And a compulsive whiner to boot. You quit the game "because it changed" but you're too stupid to figure out that it's not the game, it's you. You cry about being able to define another player's character through his stats (after having made offhanded comments that you could care less ). Why do you feel you have to stick around and rationalize your (or anyone else's) actions? You and a bunch of your squadies supposedly left but you're still here whinin' `bout it. (Which is why I didn't take the "quitting the game in protest" gimmick too seriously - you'll be flying again in a month, either as Batz or maybe even under a new third identity.)

Just a case of mass hysteria on a small scale that doesn't really need to be taken seriously.

Hell, if you and your friends weren't havin' fun anymore, then that's all you needed to say. Good enough. Quit. But hell, whinin' and blamin' everyone else just seemed like the natural thing, didn't it? Pathetic.

If I ever stop having fun then I won't need to be a drama queen about it (even through a proxy). And I sure as hell wouldn't make excuses and blame others. I'll just tell my squadies and friends that I'm quitting/taking a break (whatever the case) and that I enjoyed flyin' with `em and leave it at that. Until then, I'm going to enjoy myself and not give a rat's arse who's panties it gets in a knot because I'm not "flying the way they want me to" (percieved or otherwise).

See you next month. And lookin' forward to your quitting again after that.

Arlo · « **Reply #148 on:** June 09, 2003, 05:22:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
Whats important is folks keep the discussion in the context of the thread.

Urchins says Bore and ZZZZ runners make for a dull arena

3 or 4 guys call him a whiner and say that bore and zzzz is the only smart way to fly. Smart implies something.

Compare stats like k/d and k/t with the guys who claim Bore and zzz is the only way to fight shows that they dunno what the heck they are talking about.

These stats are supported by ingame experience. Namely being there when the guys run.

No one said any of these are strict indicators of skill, they do give a reasonable idea of fighting style especially when back by experience.

People can fly how they want and find their fun how they want. But dont get surprised or fake outrage when folks call you boring.

Pfffftttt .... moron.

All I said was it's amazing how some whine on and on and don't quit. A suggestion that apparently was taken to heart. Your welcome. Or should that be thank you?

Batz · « **Reply #149 on:** June 09, 2003, 05:49:10 PM »

I quit ah over running? WTF are you talking about?

My accounts been paid and will be paid. I have stuff going in ah that will keep me busy until mid 2004.

Do you just make **** up or what? The only time I ever quit was last january when I gave up Wotan. Mostly because work had me busy for 14 hours a day and connection issues. I came back to help in nieman (which I committed to do in November) then there was guadalcanal. Now theres several other things popped up that even with out AH2:ToD to keep my attention.

Calling you what you are isnt a whine. But anyway you wanna take it is fine by me. Are you saying you dont run? or are you still saying that running is "smart flying"? Dont change your tune now.

ccvi is saying your 2 kills per hour and .3 kd doesnt mean you "run". We both know that aint true. You see ccvi is asking how do I know you run by looking at those stats. Its easy I saw you do it numerous times.

Where you keep getting this "he quit" bull**** I dunno. I dont fly often but that aint because you are a runner. You can run all you want. My only interest is when it effects me. Your ho run 10k reverse ho run 10k bs is just boring and when I am there I will tell you it is.

You are right its not the "game" its the current crop of wussies like yourself. You run in face of the "fight" but you dont do it because you are trying to "live" (just look at your kd) you do it cause your a wuss and cant take another "you've been killed by xxx"

Because you are a lying wuss isnt reason enough for anyone to quit. Especially when theres many opportunities to remind you of it. If you are tired of the whining then why dont you quit?

Yes you are lying if you are saying I have a host of "I quit posts" just like you did about fariz.