What went wrong?

[Camel]

I had a great time! Never saw any 30k spits.

Salute all that attended, and Vadr for CM'ing

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by StSanta:
Well, I have a few ideas. I was in for the first sortie and had great fun in it.

a) distance. The two sides were just too far away from each other.

b) altitude. After the first merge and fight, where the Spitfires were utterly destroyed (think cit and me got 9 between us), they decided to go on MIR space walks. Born were the Sputnickfires. Took off with citabria, climbed to 22k. Spitfires stayed at 27-30k until I was low on fuel. In the beginning, they were outnumbered, but soon there was 5 Spitfires to 3 190's.

Finally, after I was about as bored as I could be and still be playing, one came down. I decided to turn fight him, out of utter boredom.

Down comes Torque (and thanks for coming down, seriously, was getting very boring) and I decide that I could win a collision with the ground against the very same. I lost.

So I left and thought I'd wait til things had gone back to normal and people had stopped being overcautious. When I returned SEA was effectively dead.

The CM's did a great job - only complaint I can have was adding the G6 instead of the G2 or G10. G6 is the worst 109 IMHO with the worst qualities from the G10 combined with the worst of the G2, with no of the two's virtues. But that's a side issue.

So, with shorter distance between warring factios, the Sputnickfires will not have time to dock with MIR. With the G10 or G2, the valiant LW can force them to fight.

Other than that, first mission was a blast! Down the deck, LOTS of Spits everywhere, friendlies cleared me more times than I can think of (thanks EVERYONE who saved my butt <S!>. Lots of rolling scissors for me and d400 extension/reversions. Much more fun than in the MA.

<S!>

I personally could not figure out why the Luftwaffe side griped about alt.

The A5 and 109G6 were just to fast for the Spits, at near any altitude. Best we got was one or two snap shots before the distance got to great and we had to break off. So our solution was to try and get above the LW planes to keep from getting bounced on a constant basis.

The only time I mananged to catch the LW planes were in dives, and when I started flying the Tiffy.

A G10 would of been that much worse, and I can't really speak for the G2 because I don't fly it much.

As for the G6, well...  

Seems no one takes an interest in this 109 besides me. I actually find it has the best qualities of the G10 and G2...

Ya know, 13mm's, very stable and manuverable above 175mph, great turning ability  

I'd give it a lil time, it's a great little plane  

I would of flown LW but didn't due to numbers...

- Jig

[SOB]

I had a lot of fun, and even liked the distance between the forces.  Made for a nice no-man's land between us, and an interesting ride back home flying NOE hugging the hilly terrain without ammo and very low on fuel checking all around for a low con and checking to see if the high con at my 2 o'clock the whole way home had spotted me yet(never did   .

I did a B26 run on 37 with Arkan(who made good use of the mission planner!) and Wolf37 and torque as escort and had a blast.  After wolf was downed by a con, arkan and i got our heads strait and flew close togather to double the firepower on any incoming con.  Worked quite well...i think we both got some ordinance dropped and got a couple of kills before finally being downed.  Seems to me that the scenario environment made for more cooperation as after we downed the first con, we found ourselves flying into more nme as we approached the base...figured he got on the radio and announced incoming (confirm ghosth?).

Thanks for the event, I'm looking forward to more!

Only problem I had with it was that I suddenly became the most popular guy in Oregon and recieved no less than 5 calls in an hour during the event (ringer will be off next time)!


SOB

oh yeah...as for the spit alt thing, I just climbed my little spitty until I was at least at 20k or spotted some cons.  I figured no matter how high I climbed I'd be finding LW bastiges above me!  


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[Sorrow[S=A]]

I have to say advertising. I had no idea it was happening and could not go  

Do you guys have a website? where?

[Sunchaser]

It was a good idea but AH is still too full of gamers and too few guys that want to fight WWII style.

I checked in at the scenario and asked what the plan was and was told shoot red.

Well there was more red in the main so I did.{except, as usual, red shot me more}

Terrain editor and specific missions will fix all but the low numbers attending I think.

Right = the average guy flying the main arena does not read this board, they may scan it a bit but they do not really read it.

Right = the average main arena guy could give a rats bellybutton about historical matchups and scenarios.

Rught = the average main arena guy pays HTCs bills and we are and will always be a minority.

Right = the CMs did a great job and future attempts will improve.

Thank you all involved in the setup for your time and effort.



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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?

[Torque]

I had great time was a blast of course the first few will be a bust but teething always is a pain.

[BigJim]

Nash it was a good idea but the plane sets while historical do not in themselves make a "historcal event".  I gave up because the A5 so far out powered the the spit in speed and cannons as to make it very tough to continue with the setup.  Now before I get flamed just check WHO flew WHAT and see if I am wrong <grin>.  We (the allies) should have upped in more B-26's and forced the A5's to attack them while escorting with the spits but we didn't do that (due I think to the title of the event) we upped and were plastered by a superior (IMHO) plane.  I think we needed alittle more planning on the Allied side and we just didn't have it, no your fault I think you ran a good event and tried hard it just didn't quite work out right for a good time for all in my view, but maybe we can fix that next time.

BigJim

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
As for the G6, well...    

Seems no one takes an interest in this 109 besides me. I actually find it has the best qualities of the G10 and G2...

Ya know, 13mm's, very stable and manuverable above 175mph, great turning ability    

I'd give it a lil time, it's a great little plane    

I would of flown LW but didn't due to numbers...

- Jig

Jig, as a dedicated LW flier,one who has flown all of them in MA for more than one or two sorties, I'll tell that I know all G 109s fairly well (f4 too but this little plane has few things to say in MA)...and G6 plainly simply and directly SUCKS compared with G2 and G10:

G2 is faster climbs better and accelerates better than G6

G2 turns better than G6

G2 is more nimble and turns way better than G6

G2 is way more stable than G6

G2 has better visibility than G6.

The only thing that is better in G6 compared with G2 is the better MGs and 30mm cannon. )Little thing as most 109 drivers dont like the 30mm due its drop and lack of ammo)...and its paintjob (Erich Hartmann's   )


now...

G10 accelerates, climbs and runs WAY (and I mean WAY) faster than G6

G10 has the same weapons as G6

G10 has WAY better visibility than G6

G10 has MW50. G6 not.

but I concede, G6 is more stable and turns better than G10...but who wants to turn?  

The trade off is not worth it. And not by much in either comparison.

So, G6 plain and simple...SUCKS.
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The A5 and 109G6 were just to fast for the Spits, at near any altitude

Ahem...G6 is some 20 mph slower than Spitfire IX at 20K...at least that should be in RL, as speed in SpitIX at 20K should be 408mph (as fast as a Fw190A8).

If you look at the charts in the Plane section, they list G6's top speed at 22-23K with WEP, and they show some 390 mph.

Spitfire IX is looong long time missed chart...one wonders why   ...maybe for those people who insist that at 25K spitfire is 10mph faster than what it should be...

AS you see G6 is nothing near SpitfireIX regarding speed...so sorry but I find doubtful that they were running from you.
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On the matter I wasnt there because I didnt connect in all night. Had some problems with my computer  


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[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
 Ahem...G6 is some 20 mph slower than Spitfire IX at 20K...at least that should be in RL, as speed in SpitIX at 20K should be 408mph (as fast as a Fw190A8).

If you look at the charts in the Plane section, they list G6's top speed at 22-23K with WEP, and they show some 390 mph.

Spitfire IX is looong long time missed chart...one wonders why    ...maybe for those people who insist that at 25K spitfire is 10mph faster than what it should be...

AS you see G6 is nothing near SpitfireIX regarding speed...so sorry but I find doubtful that they were running from you.

Well, I got out dove and out ran by G6's for most of the night when it wasn't Fw's. I imagine this was due to the Spit accelerating much slower compaired to the G6? Well anyway it seemed like we were always on the run.

I nearly bet any of the allies flying Spits had the same problem. I think twice, after diving from 25k to 17k I caught a G6 that was level, and manage to get it to turn instead of diving away. But there was ALOT of Fw's around in comparison, so between dodging all them there ain't no tellin.

And about the G6...I've gotten to where I fly the G10 as much or more, simply for speed. Guess it's just me. Always been weird about oddball planes. But the G6 definately has the best "feel" of the one-oh-nines to me. Guess I had better just fly the G2 from now on   It just seems incredibly slow to me versus the G6  

I hate that fuggly gun sight and rear view too  

I'll sure miss that sinister black nose  

- Jig

[LLv34_Camouflage]

I came to SEA when there were still about 25 people online.  As I took off and during my flight towards enemies, the number dropped to something like 10.  After about 30 mins there were 2 people online.  I had A13 capped.  

Too bad that the event was arranged at a nearly impossible time for us europeans.  The only reason I could attend was that I had to wake up at 5am that morning.  So I decided to take a few sorties to fight off the drowsiness.  

One thing I noticed was that the fields were very far away.  That was probably a big factor, as has been pointed out here already.  Also the planeset could have been broader.

All in all, I believe this was a good experience. I hope we get to experience more of Axis vs Allies stuff soon!  


 

Originally posted by RAM:
The only thing that is better in G6 compared with G2 is the better MGs and 30mm cannon. ...and its paintjob (Erich Hartmann's )

Sorry RAM, my friend, but I prefer Juutilainen's G-2.    

The 30mm shines in no-icons fights.  Also the planes' performance differences become less pronounced... I hope the host settings will include icon-tweaking soon!

Camo


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[Wanker]

Frenchy said:

I then encountered a typhy co-alt. After a missed HO, he dived away to home.

I'm pretty sure that Typhoon was me, Frenchy. And you did not miss with your first HO. You got my left aileron and rudder. What was I to do? I had no choice but to run away screaming like a girl.  

I still don't understand why you HO'd me in the first place. I was going for a cold guns merge, hoping to try to survive a real fight with you, but your HO robbed us of a chance to have some fun.

[Maniac]

I had no idea about this event...

Regards.

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[CRASH]

I've been championing the better advertising cause fer a while now.....seems to have been falling on deaf ears.  What would be ideal is if there was any way to have an auto anouncement or banner in the ma informing newly arived players of the event.  Barring that, or in addition to that,  a link for a centralized special events calender off of the main page might help some.

CRASH