Author Topic: Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!  (Read 752 times)

Offline GRUNHERZ

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13413
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« on: June 08, 2003, 11:33:25 AM »
http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/jg50dates.htm

The unit started with eight Bf 109 Gs in June 1943. It has been stated that the aircraft in Graf's unit had specially boosted engines. But they in fact were ordinary Bf 109 G-5s and G-6s-although thoroughfully polished to increase speed, and equippped with a special tank for GM1 mixture--Nitro-oxide (N2O), contained under pressure in liquid form-which was injected directly into the supercharger intake. This allowed the pilot to fly above the rated altitude of the DB 605 engine. Two other benefits were that it increased the power rating at high altitude, and it lowered the engine temperature, making it possible to run the engine at higher ratings for longer periods during combat. With one of those aircraft, Graf managed to set the new World Record in high altitude flight-14,300 meters (46,885 feet).

Offline HoHun

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2182
Re: Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2003, 02:19:46 PM »
Hi Grünherz,

>With one of those aircraft, Graf managed to set the new World Record in high altitude flight-14,300 meters (46,885 feet).

To provide some more data: In a Me 109G-1/R2 with N2O injection, R. Klein had achieved 680 km/h at 12000 m and a ceiling of 13800 m.

(Erla also experimented with pure oxygene injection, but I guess it didn't make much sense as it would have pushed both the maximum and - and this is the catch - the minimum altitude of the system even higher.)

However, I believe the 14.3 km ceiling of Graf's Me 109 was surpassed by the Ju 86P and R that got up to almost 15 km.

They used a Diesel engine with turbocharger and N2O injection - a combination that (according to what I've read about racing engines) is supposed to be impossible due to fuel metering concerns. I can only assume they made it work somehow at Jumo anyway, probably helped by operation at a single design point (which wouldn't be of much use in racing :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Offline GRUNHERZ

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13413
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2003, 03:01:19 PM »
Im sure that other planes like the Bv155 went even higher IIRC to something like 54,000 feet and of course the Ta152 could get into the high 40s. But still I'm really surprised a standard production service mid 1943 G5/6 with only standard GM1 and some polishing could fly so high.

Offline lord dolf vader

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1528
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2003, 03:58:46 PM »
glideing back to the ground after burning the whold tank to get to 46 k must have sucked.


Offline KG45

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 435
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2003, 04:05:58 PM »
alt-monkeys! :eek:
all you fascists, you're bound to lose...

Offline HoHun

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2182
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2003, 05:31:43 PM »
Hi Grünherz,

>But still I'm really surprised a standard production service mid 1943 G5/6 with only standard GM1 and some polishing could fly so high.

Usually, the service ceiling is considered to be reached when the climb rate drops to 0.5 m/s. For a 3000 kg aircraft, that would mean you'd have just 25 HP left for lifting the aircraft. GM-1 injection gave 350 HP at any altitude, so climb rate would be up to a very respectable 7 m/s again, making it possible to climb higher rather quickly.

Additionally, GM-1 also gave considerable extra exhaust thrust as the mass flow through the engine was increased. At the high true air speeds at great altitude, this helped a lot, too.

Another effect was that the power increase was possible without increasing the engine speed as the extra oxygen was provided by the N2O and didn't have to be pumped into the engine by the supercharger. That meant that the propeller could run at a lower tip speed, which equalled a lower Mach number and a better efficiency.

From the Gustav onwards, the N2O also was stored as a liquid and evaporated in the intake air, providing an additional charge cooling effect that provided yet another bit of extra power.

Compared to a turbo-supercharger, N2O was a very light and powerful system. The downside of course was that it was available only for a rather short time - the Me 109G-1 for example consumed the N2O at 0.1 kg/s, so it got about 17 min of operation from the 104 kg of N2O carried in the standard 85 L pressure vessel.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Offline SFRT - Frenchy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5420
      • http://home.CFL.rr.com/rauns/menu.htm
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2003, 08:45:15 PM »
Sweet:cool:
Dat jugs bro.

Terror flieger since 1941.
------------------------

Offline OIO

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1520
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2003, 09:55:56 PM »
P38 ceiling 44k :D

Offline HoHun

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2182
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2003, 01:46:40 AM »
Hi Oio,

>P38 ceiling 44k :D

P-38J: ca. 300 mph @ 40000 ft
Me 109G-1/R2: 423 mph @ 39400 ft

P-38J: 100 fpm @ 42000 ft
Me 109G-1/R2: ca. 1000 fpm @ 42000 ft

No comparison, really - you wouldn't want to meet a GM-1-boosted Me 109 at high altitude in a P-38.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Offline rshubert

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1462
Slightly confused...
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2003, 12:31:37 PM »
Were all the g-5 and g-6 Bf109s fitted with the nitrous oxide system, or just those in that special unit?  That is certainly impressive performance!

Offline GRUNHERZ

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13413
Operational Bf109G5 or G6 with GM1 reaches 46,885 feet!!!
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2003, 12:58:44 PM »
Was fitted on fighters destined for high alt operations and units.