"i think hes gonna need a visit to the doc and some stitches"

[Suave]

I do, I saw the TV clip too. Talk about the red red vino .

[Furball]

I want one!

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Syzygyone
Do tell please!

When asked by horrified fans if their single "Hey Man Nice Shot" was about Kurt
Cobain, the members of Filter promised that the song had been written long before
Cobain's suicide, in fact before the release of the Nirvana's final studio album, In
Utero.

The song, from the album Short Bus on Reprise Records, now is thought to be a
reaction to the televised suicide of Pennsylvania state treasurer R. Budd Dwyer,
who called a press conference to shoot himself in the mouth with a .357 magnum
in full view of TV cameras. Dwyer was convicted of conspiracy, mail fraud,
racketeering and perjury for a $300,000 kickback in the awarding of a multi-million
dollar state computer contract.

Filter, an industrial band made up of two former members of Nine Inch Nails, has
garnered considerable radio and MTV play for the cut recently, althought the
connection to Dwyer's public suicide has come out only in the past couple of days.
The song is not as sarcastic as the title might suggest, in truth, and could be said
to express admiration for Dwyer's act: "They think that your early ending/Was all
wrong/For the most part they're right/But look how they all got strong/That's why I
say hey, man, nice shot."

Members of Dwyer's family has expressed their dismay with the song, and intend
to register their concerns with Reprise. MusicWire's call to Reprise was not
returned by press time.

Lead singer and songwriter Rich Patrick also spent some time as a caddie,
prompting some to surmise that he picked up the phrase shepherding golfers
around the links.

[Octavius]

here's a better one:

  If you've been wondering which politician convicted of corruption who shot himself at the end of a
press conference is the subject of Filter's "Hey Man Nice Shot," wonder no more. Perusing the liner notes
of the group's debut album, Short Bus the other day, we noticed that Richard Patrick's publishing
company is called "Buddy Doiwer Publishing." In fact, the song is about none other than the late
Pennsylvania state Treasurer R. Budd Dwyer, who used a .357-caliber Magnum to do the dirty deed on
January 22, 1987. Dwyer pulled the gun from a bag and fired it into his mouth; it was one day before he
was scheduled to appear before a federal judge for sentencing in a bribery-conspiracy scandal. Up until
that moment Dwyer had maintained his innocence on charges of conspiracy to accept campaign
contributions in exchange for allegedly giving a Social Security overpayment recovery contract to John Torquato of Computer
Technology. That deal reportedly involved hundreds of millions of dollars.

Up until now, Filter's Rich Patrick (who wrote the song) and his partner, programmer Brian Liesegang have been correcting
journalists who thought the song was about Kurt Cobain, but have turned vague and mysterious when asked to explain it.
They told ATN last month that Patrick wrote it after watching a snuff film. Turns out that Patrick was inspired by a
much-copied video of the suicide (shot by a news crew). Without naming names, Patrick told one reporter recently: "It's
about a guy that kind of made a statement, a final one. The song is not a celebration of suicide. He had the guts to stand up for
what he believed. I'm wary about talking about it. I'm worried it's going to turn up in print and I really don't want the guy's
family to have to deal with it. I don't think it would be fair and I certainly wouldn't want us to sell any records at the expense
of this guys family."

Well, so much for that idea Patrick. The story broke the other day. The July 6 edition of the Tribune Review ran the headline
"Suicide Song Irks Dwyer's family." "Oh no," exclaimed Dwyer's widow, Joanne upon hearing about it. She expressed
concern about its effect on her children and grandchildren, and said she would file a strong protest with Filter's record label,
Reprise Records. "I don't know exactly what I'll say until I make contact," she told the press.

The song doesn't name the former state treasurer and only vaguely refers to his public suicide. A statement from Patrick and
Liesegang, sent to the media by Reprise Records on July 7, explains it this way: "The song 'Hey Man Nice Shot' is a reaction
to a well-documented public suicide. It is not a celebration or glorification of taking one's own life. The phrase 'hey man, nice
shot' is not a reference to the final act itself, but rather an expression of guts and determination of a person standing up for
what they believe is right. We are extremely sensitive and respectful to the family and friends of Mr. Dwyer. We have both
lost friends to suicide and felt nothing but sympathy and loss for the victims, and those involved in such a tragedy." The release
was signed: "Richard Patrick and Brian Leisgang, Filter." Except that Liesegang spells his name Liesegang, not "Leisgang."
Which makes us wonder who exactly wrote that press release? Could it be a Reprise Records publicist? We hear that
Warner Music Group executives are concerned that Dwyer's wife will sue the Reprise Records and Filter. It that happens, the
suit should be tossed out of court. Dwyer did what he did very purposely before the media, and if an artist chooses to use that
public event as the raw material from which to create a powerful song, more power to them.

(sorry for hijack!)  

[Raubvogel]

I saw that guy shoot himself on live TV. Was pretty freaky.

[funkedup]

Originally posted by airbumba
I read about the sniper dude and how they'd stop a convoy by killing the lead trucks driver , the truck would crash block the road, then it was a turkey shoot.

That works pretty well in Ghost Recon.  Shoot the lead driver, then set off claymores on either side of the road as the guys get out of the trucks.  

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by funkedup
That works pretty well in Ghost Recon.  Shoot the lead driver, then set off claymores on either side of the road as the guys get out of the trucks.  

computer game geek

[mauser]

Here's a link to a thread on another forum where the full text of the report was pasted:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=25767

"Small Arms and Individual Equipment Lessons from Operation Iraqi Freedom."
Source is USAJFKSWCS, Army Special Operations Battle Lab.

If you visit Barrett's website, check out the "News" link.  It contains Ronnie Barrett's letter to the chief of LAPD regarding the banning of .50 cal weapons for the public.  He is standing up to the gun grabbers who are gradually erroding our 2nd Ammendment rights.  Like a common criminal is going to spend the $3k+ to lug around a yard long, almost 30lbs rifle with expensive ammo to commit a crime.

I concur... nice shot Army!

mauser

[anonymous]

Originally posted by mauser
Here's a link to a thread on another forum where the full text of the report was pasted:

mauser

so the entire report is on a internet site about one month after its written? pretty amazing stuff. i saw it on paper for the first time like a week ago. never dreamed it would be on the internet even tho its unclassified. i wonder if kids are going to have libraries to go to in forty years.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by mauser
Like a common criminal is going to spend the $3k+ to lug around a yard long, almost 30lbs rifle with expensive ammo to commit a crime.

no common criminal is. but if its available to civilians then a dedicated shooter working as an assassin could really make protection detail guys have a near impossible task. the advance recon guys in the protection detail are now dealing with a weapon with effective range almost twice whay a .308 rifle has when it comes to countersniper prep that can also defeat alot of the armor involved in protecting vips. talking about vests and br glass.

[Fishu]

You can make .50cal sniper rifle in your garage with ease.
Sure it'll be semiautomatic but...

problem just is it wouldnt require as much work to trace the buyer of .50 cal ammo like some typical rifle calibers..

[midnight Target]

(Btw. us humans have the consistency of jello)

speak for yourself!

[MrCoffee]

>Isn’t there a sniper book out there that details sniper duty in
>Vietnam and they used to shoot a guy with those 50 cals to
>demoralize the enemy

I believe there was only one kill during that war with a .50 cal HB M2 with a scope mounted on it. I would have been the longest kill if its true. It may not have been a human kill now that I think about it. Might have been an equipment kill. Memory is faded on subject as I read about it long ago. Too lazy to look it up. Actually now that I think about it, I dont think there was a human kill made with a .50 cal during Vietnam.

Heres something I found on the internet but I dont think its true. This readers memory may be off as well. May have been another weapon though.

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I remember reading a book i believe was called "Marine Sniper" that told the life story of a Marine Sniper in Vietnam.  He held or still holds the longest confirmed kill with a 50 cal weapon at 3000 meters.   If i remember the story correctly he mounted a scope on one of the 50 cals from a tank. Shot two VC getting a haircut down by a river below the firebase.  He also killed a chicken and took the white feather from it and wore it in his hat earning a nickname of white feather from the VC.  There was a movie called SNIPER that came out a few years back that was based loosely on his book. Very interesting reading.
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Heres a 50 cal m2, not an easy gun to carry around.

[anonymous]

the long range .50 MG kill in VN was from Carlos Hathcock who is "grandpa" of almost every modern US sniper. when i went to in house sniper course many years ago one of the guys running the course went to marine scout sniper course in virginia when Hathcock was instructor there. they had a M2 on a hillside were marines were dug in and they nailed the tripod down tight and put a scope on it and sighted the scope. had a stationary target on a road a long ways away and they zapped him. i think hes second highest scoring US sniper of all time was another marine scout sniper in VN at same time as him with a few more confirmed kills but Hathcock was a great guy apparently. went thru many "you should be dead" situations and then gets horribly burned jumping back onto burning apc he got blown off of to rescue fellow marines still caught inside burning apc. never saw the movie mentioned to many stupid war movies to risk it but when i was young and first in military read Hathcock's book. was pretty good and not a "look how cool i am" type book at all. i think its called "marine sniper".

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Fishu
You can make .50cal sniper rifle in your garage with ease.
Sure it'll be semiautomatic but...

problem just is it wouldnt require as much work to trace the buyer of .50 cal ammo like some typical rifle calibers..

dunno about that. im not a gunsmith but to make a weapon to the tolerances of a sniping weapon youd have to really know your stuff i think. and the .50 sniper rifle isnt as simple as upgrading parts of a .308 and slapping a great scope on it. the .50 has had alot of troubles getting deployed. i remember it took alot of civilian gun experts doing alot of favors for some military guys to get the problems ironed out in time to get it into the desert back in '91.