Author Topic: Where Fur and Strat Collide... (Read 9304 times)

muckmaw · « **on:** June 25, 2003, 12:34:42 PM »

Last night, during squad ops, an enemy CV was just off the coast of a Knight field in Sect 4, 3 Keypad 4. (I can't remember the field name)

My bomber group was tasked with tajing out the CV. We upped 3 flights of B-26's from a base 2 sectors away and climbed out. Our squaddies, duking it out with the CV vectored us to target, and we began our attack run at 10k.

While on the bomb run, I was looking down my bombsight when I saw the spokesman for Furball warfare, Lazs, flying on the deck, having a grand time in the furball.

Furball mentality says you leave the CV alone, and let the furball go on. Strat mentality says sink the CV and protect the base.

Sorry, but Strat is my game and squad night for us involves playing strategically.

Bombs away, CV destroyed.

This is where Strat and Furball will always collide.

Drunky · « **Reply #1 on:** June 25, 2003, 12:52:53 PM »

I wouldn't feel bad. You did a 'legitimate' thing IMO.

If you suicided then I think people could be pissy about it.

If anyone was more caution of the CV then they would have been watching dar and upped fighter to interdict or moved the CV.

Apache · « **Reply #2 on:** June 25, 2003, 12:58:56 PM »

Was that the Cv near A216 at approx 2300 hrs, eastern?

muckmaw · « **Reply #3 on:** June 25, 2003, 12:59:18 PM »

They did pull an evasive maneuver with the CV at the last moment, but with 9 bombers dropping simultaneously, no matter which way they turned it, we had a salvo already on it's way to that spot.

The only thing that could have stopped us would have been a cap at say 8k, as we were unescorted, and marauding fighters would have ripped us up as we were looking down the bombsight.

Also, if the CV was turning much sooner, and not in a last ditch effort, it would have made our line up much harder.

muckmaw · « **Reply #4 on:** June 25, 2003, 01:00:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Apache
Was that the Cv near A216 at approx 2300 hrs, eastern?

Can't remember. I remember being vectored to 4,3 Key 4.

I was up about 10:15, and it was my first run so I would think we probably dropped around 10:30 pm EST.

Apache · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2003, 01:10:09 PM »

Not sure if thats the one I was at or not Muck. 10:30 might be a tad early so might not be.

The reason I bring it up was, said CV was in no way a threat to A216, nor anywhere else for that matter under its current condition. There were 4 BK's, Wadke and Karnak and a few others I don't know but this CV was totally dominated. Dominated so much in that we were letting the cons come out a little before they got mad and went home.

Sometimes, IMO, it would be tactically sound to let a CV live. If a decent furballin' squad has a third or so of a country tied up, seems like it would open up other areas.

muckmaw · « **Reply #6 on:** June 25, 2003, 01:28:41 PM »

IIRC there was a friendly CV in the area...within gun range, and the 2 were trading salvos. The entire engagement was right off the coast of a knight base, and the dar bar showed the sides about even.

I can see you're point tactically. This is why I never go out CV hunting. We are only tasked to sink them when they are a threat to our CV or a field.

No matter the case, if it's squad night and 40Dog tells me to sink a CV, I'm sinking a CV. Non squad nights, I use my discretion.

SlapShot · « **Reply #7 on:** June 25, 2003, 01:34:14 PM »

I think it was A22 ... we just took the base ... we had a CV just north of the base (steaming south) and they had thier CV just north-east of the base firing on our CV.

Many cons coming to A22 from the south off the rook mainland. In this instance, taking out the CV was the correct thing to do to protect A22. There were more than enough cons coming from A22 to furball with.

T'was a beautiful drop by all ... I believe that BGBMAW actually got the CV and another "Bulldog" got the destroyer.

muckmaw · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2003, 02:09:40 PM »

That's right Slappy.

The 3 Bomber formations spread and dropped so that whether the CV turned right, left or stayed straight, one of our salvos was there to meet it.

BGB got the kills. I got nothing, and I think ForkMAW hit a destroyer

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2003, 02:33:21 PM »

you were "tasked" to kill a cv? TASKED BY WHO?

there are plentyu of harmless toolsheds to kill on the friggin big maps. No way in hell do you or any other "strat" guy need to kill the off the furballs. You probly had what, 50 other targets to choose from 40 of which would be better strat than a furball that was going nowhere?

The reason strat and furball collide is twofold... there isn't enough opportunities for furballs so they are jealously coveted and.... the strat guys need the attention... taking two bases that nobody sees you take isn't near as good as being in the limelight.... even if it is bad limelight... if we had no killshooter I would shoot down our own bombers that were killing cv's.

a plague of huberts upon the house of maw.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Spokesman for the noble furballer.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2003, 02:45:19 PM »

Good job muckmaw!!! The whining produced would have made it worth while by itself.

muckmaw · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2003, 02:55:03 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
you were "tasked" to kill a cv? TASKED BY WHO?

there are plentyu of harmless toolsheds to kill on the friggin big maps. No way in hell do you or any other "strat" guy need to kill the off the furballs. You probly had what, 50 other targets to choose from 40 of which would be better strat than a furball that was going nowhere?

The reason strat and furball collide is twofold... there isn't enough opportunities for furballs so they are jealously coveted and.... the strat guys need the attention... taking two bases that nobody sees you take isn't near as good as being in the limelight.... even if it is bad limelight... if we had no killshooter I would shoot down our own bombers that were killing cv's.

a plague of huberts upon the house of maw.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Spokesman for the noble furballer.

*laughs*

Let's see, we were tasked to take out the CV by 40Dog, leader of the MAW. Did I enjoy carrying out the order? You bet your arnold. A CV is a much tougher target to hit than a building, and destroying one is my equivalent to your landing a 7 kill sortie. My $15.00 bucks, my fun..

The CV was taken out because it was a threat to our CV and our base. It was a priority target and was therefore destroyed.

Did we do it for attention. Believe what you want, but the honest answer is no. We did it to take the pressure off our CV and base.
Besides, if we were bombing bases where there was no fight, you would just say we were milkrunners.

When I saw you in my bombsight, I felt conflicted about sinking the CV. I could not decide if I should sink it right away, or wait until you were close enough to watch it go under.

Maybe you can add.."Make CV's Impervious to bombs" to the "Arena within an Arena" and "Move the fields closer" mantra.

I'm telling you, add those 3 to your Sig and you'll save alot of time.

lazs2 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2003, 03:10:42 PM »

why did you waste your time with the cv? you coulda done the same thing with a couple of p47's. I bet your cv guys weren't begging for you to save them from the mean ol knit cv now were they?

Yep... your 30 minute anal "missun" made me click on another cv or... maybe not.. maybe I couldn't find another good fight... I really don't recall.

I don't even know what country the maw fly ut of... thought they were knits like me?
lazs

RacrX · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2003, 03:28:19 PM »

It was at approximately 12:30 est. that A22 was brilliantly snuck by myself 2 squaddies and a couple other Knights! I then released the CV and went to bed.

SlapShot · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2003, 03:31:36 PM »

"I don't even know what country the maw fly ut of... thought they were knits like me?"

Lazs .... I think you need to start taking some Ginko Biloba ... improves memory I heard ... yes we are Knights.