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« on: June 25, 2003, 12:53:50 PM »
Giuliani was right; and these guys were idiots.

=====From Yahoo News======

Judge: NYC Erred in Racist Float Firings
Wed Jun 25, 3:41 AM ET  Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!
 

By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - A federal judge has ruled that the First Amendment rights of two firefighters and a police officer were violated when the city fired them for riding in blackface on a parade float in 1998.

   

The government "may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because a segment of society finds it offensive," U.S. District Judge John E. Sprizzo said in his ruling Tuesday. I'll be sure to look for an American Nazi float at the Gay Pride parade...


Sprizzo rejected statements by former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani  that the firings stemmed from concerns over civil unrest, saying he concluded that the "true motivation" was Giuliani's belief that the float was a "disgusting display of racism."
I think Giuliani's fears were well founded.  After all, people will riot over stupid things, like whether their basketball team wins or loses a championship.

Kate O'Brien Ahlers, a spokeswoman for the city law office, said, "We will definitely be appealing this."


Those on the Labor Day float threw watermelon and fried chicken to paradegoers and made it appear as if one of the men in blackface was being dragged — not long after the highly publicized case of James Byrd Jr., a black man in Texas who was dragged to his death from a pickup truck, city officials said.


Sprizzo ruled after hearing evidence earlier this year, including testimony from Giuliani, who said he urged the firing of the three city employees because he feared the controversy might lead to race riots.


At the time, Giuliani publicly declared, "They will be fired."


The white employees — firefighters Jonathan Walters and Robert Steiner and police officer Joseph Locurto — sued the city to get their jobs back.


They testified that they had no racist intent and that their actions were protected by the First Amendment because the float was a parody.  Of what?  Idiocy?


The firefighters said they meant to poke fun at their predominantly white community's racist views with the "Black to the Future 2098" float. They said they used stereotypes, such as the blackface and Afro wigs, because that's the way community residents perceived blacks. I don't buy it.  That dog won't hunt.


In earlier years, floats in the parade similarly mocked Hasidic Jews, gays and Asians. WTF? :eek: What neighborhood is this?


Chris Dunn, a staff attorney with the New York Civil Liberties Union, said the ruling "sends a message that city employees can't be scapegoated to serve a mayor's political agenda and that's exactly what happened here."


Giuliani was listed as a defendant in the case in his role as mayor. A call requesting comment was not immediately returned by his spokeswoman.


Michael N. Block, a lawyer for Walters, said he and his client were "very pleased."


Robert Didio, a lawyer for Steiner, said he was "absolutely thrilled."


"It shows that the little guy can fight back," he said. "This was unfortunately a situation where Mr. Steiner did something foolish and he recognizes that. But the penalty imposed by the mayor and the fire commissioner was not consistent with the actions on the float."

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2003, 01:00:14 PM »
If they weren't in uniform or acting in an official capacity, I don't see how it's any of the city's business.  Good ruling.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2003, 01:02:47 PM »
Good point.  My first assumption was that it was a NYPD float, but if it was a different group's float, then that's a whole different issue of an employer trying to control an employee off-duty.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2003, 01:05:12 PM »
I always find it amusing to see the PC crowd try to navigate the right to free speech and freedom of expression-line...on the one hand, it is perfectly acceptable to
a) display pictures of a crucifix in a cup of urine,
b) burn a flag
c) wear beard and rags and work politically to transform any democracy into some God forsaken moslem sharia-state
d) encourage girls to abort their unborn kids

Lord help you though if you DARE to

paint your face black and wear an afro wig
...then you are TOAST.

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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2003, 01:08:37 PM »
What they did was in very poor taste, but I agree with the ruling too.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2003, 01:12:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I always find it amusing to see the PC crowd try to navigate the right to free speech and freedom of expression-line...on the one hand, it is perfectly acceptable to
a) display pictures of a crucifix in a cup of urine,
b) burn a flag
c) wear beard and rags and work politically to transform any democracy into some God forsaken moslem sharia-state
d) encourage girls to abort their unborn kids

Lord help you though if you DARE to

paint your face black and wear an afro wig
...then you are TOAST.


"All I Needed To Know About Free Speech in America I Learned From Ann Coulter," by Hortlund, Swede.

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2003, 01:15:47 PM »
What idiots.  I agree with gofaster, what kind of neighborhood/parade is this?

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2003, 01:23:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
"All I Needed To Know About Free Speech in America I Learned From Ann Coulter," by Hortlund, Swede.


Well, it sure beats "All I know about laws and stuff I learned from reading the back of a milk carton" By Erlkonig.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2003, 01:31:12 PM »
Sounds pretty stupid to me, but if they were on their own time and not wearing their uniforms, then it's none of the city's business.


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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2003, 01:38:58 PM »
They are idiots though.
And this is from somebody who ENJOYS blackface.

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2003, 01:41:01 PM »
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What they did was in very poor taste, but I agree with the ruling too.


exactly

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2003, 02:14:30 PM »
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What they did was in very poor taste, but I agree with the ruling too.


Your give them too much credit, MT.  Somehow, I think the idea of the float being a parody was a self-justifying afterthought!  And, unfortunately, good taste is not prerequisite to exercise one's own right to make one's own self look like a total prettythang.

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2003, 03:08:32 PM »
"Very poor taste" is giving too much credit?

OK,   They are a bunch of low life scum sucking pieces of whale poop that deserve the right to freedom of expression as much as anyone else.

How's that?

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2003, 03:19:23 PM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target

How's that?


I'll take "what is overreaction" for $100 Alex

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2003, 03:26:46 PM »
What parade was this?

And  Funked... what does "enjoy blackface" mean?  Not an indictment... I honestly don't know what you are saying there.

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