I agree WldThing...you know most of us pilots have learned from our mistakes and our mistakes alone, sure many of us had trainers. I have, WldThing has, I have tried to get my dad to get a trainer, but he is very stubborn he says he just wants to "play the game". That's fine with me, but lemme teach you how to fly before you do that. Newbies HAVE to be willing to get help. If I was a newbie I would want every veteran to get in a room with me and teach me everything they know. Now a days noobies think they can do it themselves, they are wrong. It took some of us 3 years to get good at this game and people are still trying. People that came from other flights sims - AW, WBII/III think that they can get the flight model right away, which makes me wonder why they don't ask for help, because every game has it's own flight model.