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Offline Krod

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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 1999, 05:51:00 PM »
I know - it just came out that way in the post  

Offline NATEDOG

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 1999, 07:53:00 PM »
 

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 1999, 08:24:00 PM »
"Quote"    


  When I was a teenager, my father was the stupidest man in the world. By the time I turned 30, he was the smartest. How'd he get so smart?"


     Enough said.


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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 1999, 08:44:00 PM »
Pat on the backs to the guys and gals who are putting this together. This looks like it is gonna be one heck of a game, with mucho planes and scenarios. Presently I am a Fighter Ace Beta pilot and FA has come a long way as well. Looking forward to the Beta rollout on ACES HIGH to see what MS left out.

P.S. Remember its a Beta and some planes may not have true flight modeling till later updates...so, cut these programmers a break.


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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 1999, 10:34:00 PM »
Yes I agree that Spits Rule right now in that "other" sim. However, (unfortunately?) that is the way it should be. If you read the book, "Duels in the Sky," by Eric Brown, you will learn the SpitIX is probably the best fighter in a duel. (The book looks at historical matchups *and* hypothetical matchups between planes). The Spit was designed to be a light, powerful, maneuverable dogfighter. They designed it to defend England. This is probably why it is such a good defender in WB. Its weakness is range. This doesn't come into play in the MA. Many other planes are of the hit-and-run type or high-alt performance but the MA often comes down to a furball, where the Spit shows its strengths. If there was a strat/ground war element to a sim, I think you would see a little less of the Spit element. The Spit also isn't as tough as other fighters, it is easy to shoot down. If you can get it in your gunsights.;-)

BTW, on the subject of WEP, please note the FW190 or the Ki84 has the ability to WEP much longer than the Spit. It is not a generic model. Also, the water-cooled Spit will freeze up much faster after an oil leak than any of the radial engines in the game.

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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 1999, 02:37:00 AM »
 
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Please reread my post that you refer to. I didn't say all planes had of WEP. I said that most planes did. This is a true statement, most planes were only rated for 5 minutes of emergency power. The part about being fairly generic had to do with what happens when when that limit is exceeded.

Looking back the WEP thread, here is Pyro's response:

WEP duration is treated fairly generically for gameplay purposes. Most planes were only rated for 5 minutes or so, but that doesn't necessarily mean their engines couldn't handle longer periods.

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The differences between emergency power and other systems like water injection are modeled.

The first sentence gave me an impression that there will be only minor differences between planes regarding WEP. And because word 'gameplay' comes up in context, I might have drawn some hasty conclusions which might be incorrect. I certainly hope so  

The last sentence, on the other hand, is pretty clear and just what I (and many others) wanted to hear!

To set the records straight with everybody, I'm not seeking edge for myself by posting here. I don't want to see any plane to be too good or too bad, I want them to perform just the way they did in real life. I want to relive those events some fine individuals lived 60 year ago. I might appear biased because most of my little knowledge is about Luftwaffe planes and I usually don't want to write about things that I'm not fairly sure.

As for tweaking FM's in WB for playability, I have hard time to believe it was done. I believe more in theory of inconclusive data and difficulty of plane modeling. To get all performance areas accurate must be enormous task. If the FM engine is not sophisticated enough, compromises are inevitable.

Ps. beaz, I agree with your post completely! But I'm afraid we will not see any practical way to limit plane numbers in general arena.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 1999, 10:56:00 PM »
Dan, you wonder where people got that idea?  It's just a wild guess but I'll go out on a limb and say that maybe it was because somebody posted that you told them that?  Do you think that could be it?



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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 1999, 11:38:00 AM »
Maybe they did Doug, but I don't recall telling them that. If I gave someone that impression,I do apologize.

Perhaps something was p*ssing me off, and I needed to vent, I'm sure you know what that is like  

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 1999, 12:54:00 PM »
Doug,

Your work was appreciated "over there" at the WB camp.  It shall be here, too.    Can't wait to jump in and test the parachute modeling!

Andy
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