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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2003, 01:37:50 PM »
Hmmmm Europe is proliferating weapons of destruction?  Invasion time.

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2003, 01:50:50 PM »
The people putting more on the market probably aint the ones who think owning them is wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2003, 02:06:24 PM »
Anti-americanism?

European gun manufacturers exporting guns to the US is anti-americanism? Where do you get anti-americanism from here?

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2003, 02:06:29 PM »
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You don't suppose European gun manufacturers are the same ones opposing private ownership of guns, do you?


I made that point at the top of the thread. :)

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The people putting more on the market probably aint the ones who think owning them is wrong.
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Europeans selling guns is anti-American?
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2003, 09:20:09 AM »
Well... the euro gun manufactures are being hypocrites if they are not fighting for the gawd given right to keep and bear arms in their own countries as well as ours.

The euros themselves are hypocrites for letting them manufacture and export those firearms while crying like babies about firearms missuse in the U.S.

The U.N. is hypocritical (big surprise) by not intervening...

the anti gun euros posting on this board are laughable since not a one has ever decried the manufacture and export of these weapons... only what the "gangstas" in the U.S. do with em.
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2003, 09:34:36 AM »
The right to own a personal firearm is American.  It represents freedom, for the common man to own a firearm.

Europeans don't understand what freedom is.  They have served kings mostly under a feudal system for hundreds of years.

It will take some time for them to become adjusted to the concept of freedom.





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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2003, 05:20:23 PM »
I got this in the e-mail the other day and thought it interesting.  I have no clue if any of it is accurate though.  This thread seems like a good place to post it just for fun:

> Think about this:

> a. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000.
> b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
> c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

                 > Then think about this:
> a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
> b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year is 1,500.
> c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner .0000188.Statistically,
> doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
> Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.
> As a public health measure, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention.

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2003, 06:22:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Leslie
The right to own a personal firearm is American.  It represents freedom, for the common man to own a firearm.

Europeans don't understand what freedom is.  They have served kings mostly under a feudal system for hundreds of years.

It will take some time for them to become adjusted to the concept of freedom.





Les
What a load of bollocks. You don't know what you're talking about. Some European countries have a monarchy, some do not. France does not, and hasn't had for more than 150 years. Italy does not. Germany does not. Greece does not. Finland does not. Austria does not. Portugal does not. I could go on, but I think you get the point. Britain has not had a King in my lifetime. The feudal system was something I learned about in history class, and died out about 300 years ago.

No gun here, but I have never needed nor wanted one. I would not want to live in a society where I felt compelled to protect myself with a gun. And I do not need to here. Now THAT is freedom. Nor for me sleeping with a loaded .44 Mag under the pillow. Yep, I feel free.

Even Lazs felt "as safe as at a church bingo night" unarmed in a rough area of London, and yet feels the need to arm himself within the "safety" of his own residence. Go figure...

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The right to own a personal firearm is American.
Bullcrap. Other countries also allow the "freedom" of personal firearms - Iraq, for example. Also dangerous countries like South Africa and Zimbabwe.

This post is so out of whack with fact that I am compelled to dismiss it as a troll.

Oh, and there's no such thing as "God". Neat concept though...

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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2003, 08:11:53 PM »
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What a load of bollocks. You don't know what you're talking about. Some European countries have a monarchy, some do not. France does not, and hasn't had for more than 150 years. Italy does not. Germany does not. Greece does not. Finland does not. Austria does not. Portugal does not. I could go on, but I think you get the point. Britain has not had a King in my lifetime. The feudal system was something I learned about in history class, and died out about 300 years ago.

No gun here, but I have never needed nor wanted one. I would not want to live in a society where I felt compelled to protect myself with a gun. And I do not need to here. Now THAT is freedom. Nor for me sleeping with a loaded .44 Mag under the pillow. Yep, I feel free.

Even Lazs felt "as safe as at a church bingo night" unarmed in a rough area of London, and yet feels the need to arm himself within the "safety" of his own residence. Go figure...

 Bullcrap. Other countries also allow the "freedom" of personal firearms - Iraq, for example. Also dangerous countries like South Africa and Zimbabwe.

This post is so out of whack with fact that I am compelled to dismiss it as a troll.

Oh, and there's no such thing as "God". Neat concept though...


No argument on the fuedal society thing.

I do take offense to the notion American's feel the need to OWN arms for nothing more that self defense. You are missing the entire point I think. I own them because I can..because I feel its a right handed down to me by indiv's before me. I feel its a mixed bag of sorts...good and bad but it is a FREEDOM WE AMERICANS ENJOY. Most people who own firearms at least in the Rural America simply do it because its part of our way of life. We hunt with them... plink w/them etc. We're prob the majority of the gun owners out there. WE dont do the drive bys...or contibute to the indiv's in the inner city shooting one another over a bag of crack.
At least not in rural Va...

As far as you living here or desiring to... who cares. If your happy w/your way of life where you are..enjoy it. I simply have no clue why you feel the need to try and preach your views to us here in America.

As far as God is concerned.... prove to me he DOESNT exist please. You have about as much of a chance of proven he DOES exist. I quess it would depend on what you define GOD as being then again as well. Just remember... your entire preception of the "world" about you is limited by the senses bestowed on you vie nature or "God". Just because an Amoba doesnt know your looking down on it..doesnt mean you dont exist..correct?
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2003, 09:24:13 PM »
I for  one don't want to live in a country where the only power is in the hands of he Military and the Police.  That's happend so many times before.   The Nazi's and the Commminst's had very effective 'gun control' (they had them all).  

    We in the USA are trying to make a stand for the right of the individual to control his own fate without the help of the 'Goverment', and it's not an easy fight.  Europe is lost, but we are still holding on to that ideal that the goverment is 'for the People, by the People, and of the People.'

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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2003, 11:47:03 PM »
IMHO not enough Americans own guns.

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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2003, 12:32:24 AM »
"Do ya think it would be OK for someone from Columbia to be against drug usage in the USA?"


Firstoff, its spelled COLOMBIA.

Second, you have one such person right here. ME.

The problem is 2 sided. One consumes and pays exhorbitant sums of money for that crap, the other one has a massive mafia that takes said money to fund a private army to protect the ILLEGAL 'crops' and keeps the populace and government paralyzed with bribes, kidnappings, assassinations and general acts of terror... and also takes care of processing and distribution. Its that profitable a bussiness. But it is NOT legal as Firearms manufacture. You cant possibly put the ELN/FARC/Drug Cartels in the same light as a legit company like Berretta or H&K.

Just like you cant generalize an entire population by saying 'someone'. Only the few, elite criminals managing and (being the only ones that) profit from said drug trade are the ones that are would not like to see a drug free usa/world. The rest of us are fed up, tired and disgusted with the whole schmoodle.

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« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2003, 05:28:55 AM »
Batdog - the purpose of my post was to point out that Les's post was mostly BS - full of errors, written by someone who has no clue about Europe. See what GScholz said later about owning weapons in Europe. We can if we want. I can own guns for use at a gun club, or own a shotgun etc. Plenty of people go hunting (mostly pheasants or grouse) in the countryside in my immediate vicinity. I don't know precisely what my firearms ownership rights are. I care as much (or as little) about that as you care about what I think of living in the US. BTW, I lived in CA - and could have stayed indefinitely. But... naaaah.

I think what pisses me off the most in these posts is the way some Americans crow about their 2nd amendment, and their "freedom" to own guns like it's some form of noodle extension. It's about as impressive as the "freedom" to own an electrically powered concrete mixer, or the "freedom" to own a microwave oven. Who gives a s**t? But some Americans seize on this because clearly they can buy more different types of weapon than most other parts of the world. But then they turn it into a pissing contest. "My country's better than yours because I can buy a machine gun" etc. And then the country bashing starts, and the dental "jokes" get trotted out... I don't hate America, but as time goes by and I read more and more idiotic posts like the above, it becomes more and more clear why so many people do.

The God thing is off topic, but the burden of proof would be on you. Not entering into a debate because I'm not interested in the motion, or the outcome of any such debate. Think FIRST amendment - any - or none at all.

Otto - the notion of an organised citizens' revolt by Americans armed with handguns or even assault weapons, against your own military, is as outmoded as the feudal system. And equally laughable. But dream on if it pleases you.
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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2003, 07:20:46 AM »
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I got this in the e-mail the other day and thought it interesting.  I have no clue if any of it is accurate though.  This thread seems like a good place to post it just for fun:

> Think about this:

> a. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000.
> b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
> c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

                 > Then think about this:
> a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
> b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year is 1,500.
> c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner .0000188.Statistically,
> doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
> Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.
> As a public health measure, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention.


Porked reasonning ... and BS
REdo the stat with this :
Number of death deliberatly provoked by physicians ?
Number of death deliberatly provoked by gun owner ?

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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2003, 08:23:27 AM »
I think Rude and I are going to take a few of my shotguns out and bust some clay birds this evening. Rude hasn't shot in a long time and wants to reinvestigate it as recreation.

Just for the pure fun of it..... a feeling sorta like vultching for those who don't or can't indulge. Those stupid clays just keep reupping.

We won't have to ask anyone's permission, won't have to "check the guns out of the local club", won't have to have anything but the desire to do so.

I like it that way.

I'm glad it IS that way.

Doesn't bother me in the least if you don't agree.

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