The 30 dollar unlimited offer...

[-bmbm-]

Kats, you're looking for corporate sponsorships eh?  

"kill of xxxxxxxx awarded to yyyyyyyy from Always Coca-Cola"

"kill of xxxxxxxx awarded to yyyyyyyy from Pizza Hut"

We might even see a broker negotiating ad contracts for squads  

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-bmbm-, XO 56th FG

[phaetn]

Time for phaetn economics 101...

US$30 is US$30 is US$30... it doesn't matter what it converts to... any fluctuation in exchange rates will affect only non-Americans but will equally affect any other game that is paid for in US$ by these same people.

What has to be compared, then, is the perceived value against other products in the same market.  How many people spend more than $30/month on Warbirds?  A pile of them do.  Think of the people who have the $29.95 plan and then still have to pay per hour after that... I have the $19.95 plan and kick myself almost every month when I don't manage to show any restraint and end up paying more than $30 and realize I could have bought more time for the same price.   Plus, I'm a Canuck too, Snowy, so I feel your pain... (although relieving it is all covered by state sponsored medicine!  ).

US$30... okay, it's not exactly cheap... but then the play is UNLIMITED!  If you play more than about 18 hours a month then this is the same rate as WB, with NO EXTRA COSTS for any extra time.  If you play less then remember that you are paying for a new generation sim that has some elements that WB doesn't.

Imagine... playing for five hours straight (when the wife is out!  ) and not having to worry about racking up a bill.

I can feel my arms going into spasms already from the sustained use of the Force Feedback!  

Cheers all,
Gian "phaetn" Vitzthum
phaetn@dogfighter.com

[PIRATE AHA*]

well i will just say this! GAMESTORM $9.95 a month unlimited games like airwarrior classic, airwarrior3 3d, aliens online, battletech, legal crime, godzilla, jack nicklaus golf, legends of kesmai, casino poker and many more   also AIRWARRIOR VIETNAM is in the works  .
i dont care how good the game is im not gonna pay $29.95 a month unlimited when i have gamestorm & AIRWARRIOR3 <G>.

[Laika]

Yeah $30 US is a bit of stretch (aussie pilot here) but at least thats the total price no matter how many hour I put in. More pilots will be willing to buff and not be worried about the cost to climb to 25+k, More pilots will be willing to stay on DAR and vector countrymen to the cons. All pilots will be able to practice a lot in there fav ride ...not just the rich ones. I cant say for sure but I think a fixed price will build a stronger community and better game play than the "pay per play" wb's setup.  

[Jekyll]

Absolutely right laika!

The one real benefit I see from an unlimited pricing plan is that there is no financial encouragement to get a 'quick fix'.  If you're paying $2 an hour or thereabouts the temptation is to take off from the nearest field - zoom over to the furball at 3K and mix it up.

With an unlimited pricing plan I'd certainly be prepared to spend an evening or two manning the radar, or climbing to 20k in a buff, or flying high alt weaving escort missions on those buffs.

As one who regularly spends over $100 Australian per month on the other game, I can't wait for AH to debut.

[-morc-]

I'm Canadian and $30/mo would be great for me
if you can't afford $30/mo I'm sorry to say but maybe online sims are not for you.

I payed over $100/mo for WB,  now THAT is rich.  Man,  it'll be fun taking bombers for a change.  Also,  LONG scenarios will be a possibility,  no more 45 minute slugfests.

Morc (Looking forward to seeing this come out)

[skypi]

Gamestorm? godzilla, Air Warrior 3d, come on guys were talking grown up advanced beyond Warbirds type flying here. I for one will be happy to fork over 30 US a month for a real enviorment that pushes the power of my all to expensive computer system to the brink! What the hell do you need a Pentium for with a Gamestorm level simulator? You wasted your money!  

[PIRATE AHA*]

Gamestorm? godzilla, Air Warrior 3d, come on guys were talking grown up advanced beyond Warbirds type flying here. I for one will be happy to fork over 30 US a month for a real enviorment that pushes the power of my all to expensive computer system to the brink! What the hell do you need a Pentium for with a Gamestorm level simulator? You wasted your money!
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YEAH!! Gamestorm $9.95 a month unlimited & it does not cost extra to play the senerios:P
im not trying to knock ACES HIGH but come on $29.95 is a bit much if you ask me..
and for your Expensive Computer System all the EYE CANDY will cause lag warps etc...etc..
and as for your remark about the pentium kesmai is working on AIRWARRIOR VIETNAM whitch will require you to have a PII.
and as for me wasting my money hmmmmm
i shoot DWEEBS like you out of the SKY all day long for $9.95 a month unlimited & your sitting here waiting on ACES HIGH so you can do the same (or try too) for $29.95 now tell me who wasting there money?
ACRS HIGH does look good dont get me wrong i will like to try it out and see how everything looks & works.. i wish ACES HIGH the best of luck but like i said before the price is too HIGH...
AHA* (WHISTLING DEATH)

[subz]

The way I look at it is simple.
From the sounds of it or at least going by the average ages of players in the other game those in my Squad included.

$30 Bucks US = $60 NZ (New Zealand)

Yip $60 bucks....Its about the cost of 1 nights drinkin or eatin out, Chicken feed (thats an expression).
So, most of us are workin and earning some money,if you're not then get off ya fat lazy bellybutton and get some..ok ok, my point is in relative terms its the cost of 1 nights beer so drink less and fly more and stop ya grizzling.

-subz- RNZAF

[This message has been edited by subz (edited 09-22-1999).]

[Curly]

See WarDog? $30.00 *will* help keep the Quakers out. And those that can pay it will not hang for long with the learning curve.

Some kind of quaker filter in the beta would be nice....

But then again look at all the targets!

--Curly

[Rebel]

$30 a month is a helluva deal.  I spend about 60-75 a month on WB's right now, and I've had it as high as 150.

Excellent choice in pricing guys.

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-Rebel 487th Lil' Bastards
"You love a lot of things if you live around them, but there isn't any woman and there isn't any horse, nor any before nor any after, that is as lovely as a great airplane, and men who love them are faithful to them even though they leave them for others. Man has one virginity to lose in fighters, and if it is a lovely airplane he loses it to, there is where his heart will forever be."
--Ernest Hemingway

[Firefox]

hmmm bmbm .. I like that ... how about

Kill of -bmbm- awarded to Firefox of the BOEING Group


Cool

Slap me now, Ill go back to playing AH and make sure its ready for you Wolves.



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Rick "Firefox" Scott

[Flacke]

Hey Snowy, you make some good points! I feel the same as you do. No one wants to have a price that is so high that only a few very motivated and well-heeled people in Canada and other countries with unfavorable exchange rates will be able to enjoy AH. Time will tell on this issue, but thanks to you for raising it!

[Wizard]

Do the math.  If you log into AH and never leave, it will cost you about 25 cents an hour for a month of non-stop flying. The same time in WB would be about $1400.  Can you see the light?   If AH is as real as a sim can get, I will probably give up my real life and become a AH junkie.

[rob53]

A handful playing at $30.00/mo or an armful playing at $10.00-20.00/mo?    I'm surprised at the price.  I understand that it's hard to get something like this going, let alone any business venture going, but maybe, and it's just a thought......would you rather be playing against the same few players all the time that you've been playing with for years??  Or, have more players and new blood (pun also) to fly against.  The $30.00/mo fee is going to exclude many a potential customer.  My opinion is to lower the price and lure more new players to AH,which would broaden the customer base and create more revenue than having a higher price with fewer customers.  I'm sure all those involved in the decision making process had already thought of this, but, I haven't seen it addressed yet and just wanted to see what others think.  As for those complaining about "dweebs" from other flight sims, let's not forget that we ALL have the same interest and dedication in combat flight sims and the hope of seeing a better combat flight sim is common to us ALL.  
I knew quite a few people that were interested in checking out AH until the pricing plan was announced, when they found out, all I heard was, shi*.  They're not even going to check out the beta.  Maybe no loss to some of you saying that it's their loss, but REVENUE, my boy, REVENUE.  CUSTOMERS.....CUSTOMERS.....P AYING CUSTOMERS.....

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rob53
Maj Kram 428th RCAF
AW ETO2