Author Topic: The "classic" Axis Allied thing. (Read 1348 times)

nopoop · « **on:** July 15, 2003, 10:33:00 PM »

Some observations. I dropped over when the sun went down.

Everyone "loves" the Axis Allied thing.

One thing that seems to never change is the numbers inbalance in the setup everyone loves.

It crosses over from game to game.

It always hovers around 2 to 1 allied. Granted I was in when the sun went down as no doubt quite a few were. Taking that into account it might not be an accurate accessment.

Second observation is while being a different arena few can resist a face shot. Flying an A8 under those circumstances is alot of fun.

But I'm rusty, flew 190's for years somewhere else, haven't flown but a few over here.

Snapped an A5 into a spin and even though I had tons of altitude I dug a hole.

Third, very little range voice used in ANY situation.

I'm fluent in German.

Or I play the flute..

It's one of the two..

Or maybe I felt like breaking out stiff leather.

I forget..

But I remember.

Slash27 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2003, 12:37:38 AM »

Or I play the flute.. eeeeewww:D

jarbo · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2003, 03:37:14 AM »

....I know this is wrong but........

Please say it isn't the skin flute.........

Löwe · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2003, 08:38:24 AM »

Most people just prefer Allied rides , thats probably never going to change. Last night was one of the worse for numbers I've seen. I think one reason is there are so many fighters on the Allied side to choose from. The only plane they are missing fighterwise is the P-38 I believe.

It's hard to lure them over to fly Axis when they can fly...... P-47, P51 , Spit9, Spit14, Typhoon, F4U, FM2, F6F, Hurricane........ With that many choices not many people are going to be open to " Hey come fly a Fw-190 or Bf109".

It wasn't like we didnt have a chance , my problem last night was mainley I never got above the fight over 18. Thats where the majority of the fighting was, and I kept getting caught under the fight ,low on energy, and sluggish in a 190A8. Flying like that I'm gonna get killed even if the Axis have a 2 to 1 advantage. It's a good setup , the numbers have been fairley close all week.

Last night was squadnight for a bunch of squads, their favotite rides were there and they took advantage of it. I'll live with a number advantage at times, and I don't expect guys to change sides. I know I don't want to go fly Allied planes just because the Axis have a number advantage. As long as Allied rides are the favorite of most people this is never gonna change , also not many people want to be in Axis squads. Joining a side that lost historically, is another item, thats not a big sale .

Eagler · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2003, 09:01:26 AM »

nothing like flying the 109f off a CV

if fleets were a little smaller, this setup would be perfect

yes, please fly the allied crates - they make nice torches

snocone · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2003, 10:14:20 AM »

was the squad night thing. most of the time that the numbers where unbalanced a majority of the allied pilots where waiting for the mission to up. so they werent in the air taking advantage of the numbers. seemed like the guys fightin between 18 and 19 were pretty even. usually when squads do the big squad night mission they broadcast on channel 1 so that there is some opposition. of course with the super radar in this setup you can see people comin about 50 miles out. but the allied rides are great. why dont the germans have the dora in this setup? too early i guess, but with the variaty of good guy rides, i dont think it would hurt. man i love that ride.

o0Stream140o · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2003, 11:44:00 AM »

Well.... on the aspect of side unbalancing... I thought this game was based on actual war of WW2. I don't think the allies or the axis did a check on rosters before they upped just to make sure that sides were balanced? I, myself, have been on both sides of the coin... I have been in CT when I was way out numbered by axis planes.... I still up... but I am going to take at least one down with me, if I go down. If I am getting ganged that bad... I log....and return to the CT later to see what numbers are... simple as that... It's not worth getting worked up over little things any more.... we are here to have fun...
As for Tuesdays... We do have our squad night then, if we have our squad rides.... you can bet we are going to be in them... The one we get to fly regularly is the P-40, so we are pretty much going to jump at the chance to fly the 51 or the 47 if they are in the arena. You can bet we are going to be doing some kind of mission, with or without, other squads... But we do like to have other allied squads fly with us... ergo the 880 and 106th if they are there... That is what we think is a good time in CT... Axis is more than welcome to come up with us... the only thing is we are not going to boradcast it.... Adds to the realisum of war....

Skyfoxx · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2003, 12:37:43 PM »

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Originally posted by snocone
most of the time that the numbers where unbalanced a majority of the allied pilots where waiting for the mission to up. so they werent in the air taking advantage of the numbers.

Exacty!

While the numbers are often indeed imbalanced, what many mysteriously fail to realize is that the roster does not always tell the whole story. The roster does not tell you who is airborne who is in a GV, who is maning a gun or PT boat or who and how many are waiting in the tower for a mission, (often a bomber mission) to begin. This is especially true on squad nights.

Apparently though some enlightened individuals on ch 1 are equipped with a magical crystal ball and can deduce all by simply looking at the roster.

Maybe I should just unsquelch ch1 and ask to borrow the crystal ball.

Batz · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2003, 12:51:41 PM »

Its not that flight sims in general cater to us players, its just that wbs and ah do.

In il2/fb theres plenty of axis players, many ex wb and ah guys.

In wwiiol there plenty of axis players, many from wb and ah.

Ah and wbs both are marketed for the allied (US player). It could be by design (larger market) or just a result of the amount of information available to these us designers in regards to allied planes.

Its not really allied, it mostly US and Spitfires. Even though the la7 gets a lot of use in the ah main most folks never even heard of it till it came to ah.

So the vvs in both games gets ignored as well.

Then theres the arena "gameplay" where planes like 190s and 109s (except for the fast late models) arent in their element.

All of these contribute to a lo number of "dedicated" axis players. Even in scenarios we do a lot of recruiting on the axis side from folks who normally fly allied planes.

Now in the ct where the "community" is only a tiny portion of the overall AH community you will find even less.

But I dont think the numbers in percentages are any less in the main then the ct. Just in the main where all sides fly all planes the lack of axis planes aint a problem because theres plenty of allied stuff to kill as well.

An axis/allied split like in wbs would kill ah. The axis would get gang banged and their numbers would drop and in turn some allies would get bored with the no action. The rest were become even more perfect milkrunners. Kinda like what you find in the ct.

KG45 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2003, 01:38:24 PM »

it's the 'classic' seal clubbing thing.

you should hear the howl that goes up if there's a PTO scenario that doesn't include the F4U, even if it's the 'canal.

many players wanna fly the superior planes. it's only natural.

even tho i always fly axis in CT, i don't mind a little imbalance.

najdorf · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2003, 03:04:22 PM »

If you go into the CT 10 times, the allies will outnumber the axis on 8 of those occasions.

Only time it really sux is when one side hangs over their base or fleet and you have to fly through ack to fight. I think that goes on with allies more than axis, but I may be biased.

LtMagee · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2003, 03:15:43 PM »

You guys kill me..lol, I have to agree with SkyFoxx on this one. I regularly pay close attention to the bar dar as well as the roster. Even when the roster says that sides are even, watch the bar dar, it very seldom is even.

Stop complaining about the roster numbers and keep your eye on the bar dars. If it is not what you want, take the fight where you want it.....I do!!

If you depart a field and the red bar dar in the next sector, or your own sector is big, dont be stupid. They are comming after you or they are orbiting waiting for you. If you enter a unballanced fight, its your own fault. Very seldom do I see roster numbers off ballanced, however, when roster numbers are even, I see more unballanced fights. Dont just look at numbers, observe your suroundings...sorry for the typos!!

Furious · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2003, 03:47:46 PM »

If you enter the CT and see a lop-sided fight and then join the team with largest numbers you are a coward.

If you are in the CT on the team with lowest numbers, then change to larger team you are a useless coward.

If you are in the CT on the team with the largest numbers, but are only attacking undefended bases, you are just useless.

You may not agree, but you are wrong.

ergRTC · « **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2003, 06:02:37 PM »

you guys need to share whatever you are smoking. I know that on some maps the dar bar is limited so it is hard to tell who is up and who is not. Last night I was flying allied at 18 and it was a route. The best odds I saw was the 3 on 1 (thats 3 lwobbles chasing my spit). The axis bar dar was all the way across and allied only had a little nubbin. We had some more in the next sector, but no where near the number of lwobbles floating around.

I looked at the roster and it was 20 to 42. I sent out a message on country and said "where the hell are you guys?"

They were way up north doing their squad thing.

You could see a mass of maybe 25 guys up there heading to the coast of norway.

Now at the same time I saw some d!!!cheese axis pilot mouthing off about how horribly unbalanced the sides were and that this always happens.

Jesus Christ grow up and open your eyes.

Bear76 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2003, 10:02:40 PM »

You guys are making more of this than the axis is. We expect to be out numbered on squad nights and 2 to 1 odds are not uncommon. We still kick ass. As for the fight over 18, the numbers were dam even Erg. Most of the fight happened between our two bases not over 18 so your dar expaination is mute. We all had good fights. We all had fun, right?