Author Topic: Film Clips...answers please (Read 481 times)

Hooligan · « **Reply #30 on:** May 14, 2001, 03:17:00 PM »

In the N1K film I saw you repeatedly bleed E by doing turns into the N1K. Basically blowing your energy and giving the N1K a chance to bind you up in a turn fight. It's a miracle you survived. The only reason you did is that once the N1K got on you you dove out and the stang's speed saved you. When you dove out (and diving loses E), he followed you a bit then started climbing (i.e. banking E). IMO the film clearly shows the following: The N1K was cautious and maintained his E. You threw your E away.

Hooligan

humble · « **Reply #31 on:** May 14, 2001, 03:23:00 PM »

hblair,

Your not taking it off topic at all....that is the topic. I've yet to see anyone ever actually post a clip after a "rant". My comments were not extended or beligerent...least from my view point. However, I do feel if your gonna squeak...back it up with the clips.

You and I had a run in few days back, I made a gentle swipe...but also came back with a <S> and praise for your E management...you also confirmed you were pushing the edge and hosed me from "long range". We both knew I rolled the dice and lost.

If the overall feeling is the nikki's fine then lets get on with business

...My decision this go around with AH is i'm not gonna whine if I don't the clip to show.

hblair · « **Reply #32 on:** May 14, 2001, 03:28:00 PM »

rgr humble. fair enough.

humble · « **Reply #33 on:** May 14, 2001, 03:44:00 PM »

Couple last quick comments then I'll let this one peter on out.

I posted the clip with issue of e retention by Nikki...not for a tactics film.

My take is simple, I'm neg E the whole time with the Nikki. He had control of the whole fight if he'd taken it. Now on initial merge his 3.5 horizontal "sepration" gave me time to leave....so did his climbing reverses after all three "re-merges".

I didn't see a single non vertical move I made in that clip...as for could I have flown the pony "properly" far as I'm concerned I did

...yes I could of extended and buzz bombed him...but I had enough E to play with and it was a fun fight.

Now my question is simple...is the nikki's E retension excessive....that's it. As for the rest of it, since I fly "dumb" I'll continue to get hosed on a regular basis

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As a last comment the Nikki never had a shot till I tried to really force a mistake at end. Although he certainly had a closeup view on the zoom...so he may of had a nibble and missed there....my call on that fight is simple, the nikki blew 4-5 chances to hose me by never going to the vertical on any merge correctly, wasted all his planes advantages extending horizontally...never once took the fight up.

So in closing, I appreciate ALL the comments and time taken. The Hog related ones are right on...specially hooligans and Mandobles.

The nikki/pony stuff more mixed...lot of comments on my flying ... not many on the question posed. On the E question, it seems to be a mixed bag with strong feelings both ways.

As for the flying part, I think I handled a neg E fight with Nikki reasonably well, considering that I'm the chasing him around

Personally I think he flew that hop as bad as you can fly a Nikki, only the planes capabilitys saved him...no indication of any basic ACM or 1 vs 1 tactics...he could of waxed me 6 different ways there. I fought the only fight (vs run) that I had to work with.

Just my 2 cents here....again my opinion has no more merit than anyone elses and the clip is there for all.

Thanks again for taking the time, specially hooligan for posting em for me <S>

[This message has been edited by humble (edited 05-14-2001).]

Hooligan · « **Reply #34 on:** May 14, 2001, 04:24:00 PM »

People talk about E-retention and that is not the issue: Really it is usually acceleration.

2 planes do a little turning and both bleed E. But... one weighs 9000 lbs and has 1800 hp. The other weighs 7500 lbs and has 2100 HP. Guess what happens. The aircraft with the better power to weight ratio can much more rapidly accelerate or climb out of its poor E state. Its not that some aircraft don't bleed E, they just recover it much quicker than others.

hooligan

humble · « **Reply #35 on:** May 14, 2001, 07:56:00 PM »

Excellent point, i'm pretty positive that the
nikki easily out accelerates a pony in level flight. I think the nikki is pretty heavy though. I know it will easily outclimb a pony also. One reason I rev was to limit build up and keep him from going up on me. Although he easily could of climbed over me, he never really did.