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Offline Saurdaukar

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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2003, 04:56:00 PM »
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maybe it's the little peepees.


BAH!!!  Wheres my digicam!!!  Skuzzy, CLOSE YOUR EYES!!!

MUAHHAHHAHHA!!!

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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2003, 05:01:53 PM »
i dont think you understand what a modern mixed market country is mietla. Go visit Italy, switzerland, denmark, holland. maybe then you would understand. There are very few things that should be public goods. Modern socialist only believe that education, healthcare, and other basic things that a society needs to be safe, to live in should be considered a public good.

funked you wouldnt have the "fruits of your labor" if it wasnt for the government you owe them. stop whineing. And if you lived in a society that had a bad distribution of wealth you wouldnt even be able to have a good job, let alone be free. example: any third world country. If you dont want to pay taxes go to zambia.

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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2003, 05:10:02 PM »
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funked you wouldnt have the "fruits of your labor" if it wasnt for the government you owe them.


That's where we disagree fundamentally.  You've got the cart before the horse.  If it wasn't for people working their bellybutton off, the government wouldn't be able to do anything.  The fat cats in Washington love people like you though.  They keep stealing and people like you keep bending over and asking for more.

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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2003, 05:13:07 PM »
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They are just a slightly less malignant strain of socialists than are the Democrats.  They've had three years with both houses and the White House, but we still spend 30% of our time working as slaves for Washington.


What and for how much, my GF is outta town this week.

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« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2003, 05:17:55 PM »
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If you dont want to pay taxes go to zambia.

No I like it here.  Nice weather and all my family and friends are here. I will stay here, exercise my God-given rights, and hope that the rest of my compatriots will wise up and start voting more sensibly.

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« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2003, 05:32:06 PM »
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Go visit Italy, switzerland, denmark, holland.


Why would I. Like Funked I like it here. I just object to slaving for 6 months every year in order to support some lazy bum who chooses not to work.

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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2003, 05:33:30 PM »
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There we are - thats right!  

u r teh r3t4rd!!!  Thats why Im taking you out of my sig, good for nothing, ungrateful COMMUNIST!!!  :D


So . . . . err. . . . . ahhh. . . . . If ya gotta get help in how to spell retard and then spell it wrong anyway what does that make ya??

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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2003, 06:10:04 PM »
Frogm4n: Do you really think that having 10 percent of americans holding 80-90 percent of the wealth creates a healthy society?

 Most of that wealth - probably 99% of it - is in the form of a capital. And capital is only valuable if it produces value - goods and services - for the non-owners of the capital, the consumers like me.

 In the free(ish) market the consumer is the souvereign who determines what is produced and at what prices by choosing or abstaining from purchase.

 And if it's me who determines what the factory produces, I could not care less who holds the title to it - except if it is the government bureacrat in a socialist state who could not care less about me.


 The disparity of wealth you hear about is bogus. The capital the rich "own" is working for our benefit. The profits they receive (after paying disproportionately high taxes) are mostly reinvested back into the productive capital so that we could get better and less expensive goods in the future.

 So it's not income disparity but consumption disparity that really matters. Which is also much distorted by lying socialists.

 The tiny fraction of profits that the "rich" actually consume does not buy them nearly as much more consumption as the monetary difference suggests.

 My suit may cost several times less than theirs but it is almost the same real value.
 The house ten times as expensive does not provide ten times better value.
 The car ten times more expensive does not give one a ten times better transportation, etc.
 The food you can buy from the supermarket does not differ by caloric intake or nutritional values from the food that costs rich people many times more.

 And of course most or all of the price the rich overpay for their consumption goes towards the salaries of the people.


 If you take a person from 16th century (or a socialist country like Soviet Union) and show them the life of Bill Gates, what would they be most impressed?

 They would be most impressed that Bill and Malinda have a warm house in the winter and cool air in the summer, clean hot and cold water available any time, indoor plumbing, ability to travel other than by foot, warm convenient quality clothes, little fear of dying in childbirth or from some desease, ample nutritious food, affordable education, etc. etc.

 But all those things are what any american - rich and poor enjoys, all courtecy of the free market.
 
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« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2003, 07:05:06 PM »
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So . . . . err. . . . . ahhh. . . . . If ya gotta get help in how to spell retard and then spell it wrong anyway what does that make ya??


Youre no fun - Im not going to play with you anymore.

And Im telling my mom.

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« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2003, 07:39:40 PM »
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 But all those things are what any american - rich and poor enjoys, all courtecy of the free market.
 


And this is what you libs are striving to screw up. If you like socialism in Italy, Denmark or Sweden, why don't you move there to already existing paradise and leave this country for those who don't need the Ted Kennedy to wipe their prettythanges.

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« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2003, 07:53:09 PM »
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And this is what you libs are striving to screw up. If you like socialism in Italy, Denmark or Sweden, why don't you move there to already existing paradise and leave this country for those who don't need the Ted Kennedy to wipe their prettythanges.



Hehe, sing it brotha!

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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2003, 07:57:46 PM »
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They are just a slightly less malignant strain of socialists than are the Democrats.  They've had three years with both houses and the White House, but we still spend 30% of our time working as slaves for Washington.




I feel the same way sometimes about the GOP and jack-boot wearing, goose-stepping, idiots like Ashcroft just reinforce those feelings.  And I'm a registered Republican, have been since 1988 when I turned 18.



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« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2003, 10:05:27 PM »
Great argument except for one thing. Most of us who live either in North America or Europe where we pretty much have it worked out. Some are rich, some are poor but most of us get along just fine right there in the middle. Left, centre, right, Democrat or Republican. We live well thanks to moderate government of whatever hue. The truth of it is that there really is very little fundamental difference between the Democrats and the Republicans or 'new' socialists and conservatives.

funked has a rather right wing slant, if he wants to see how well his system works. He need only look to most South American countries to see his ideal system in action. Masses of poor  with a small middle class, living in walled compounds against the poor and a few rich fat cats running the country.

I don't want that and hey our system works just fine. Why mess with it? We don't need extremes of any description, right or left wing!

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« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2003, 10:14:34 PM »
there are 20million americans without health insureance. yet our health care business sector counts as 17 percent of our gdp. An extremely high rate compared with other civilized nations. i just dont understand why we dont have a national health care system.


When i say go to those countrys i mean  go visit them. Go see the world ,open your mind. Its a big place with alot of different cultures and ways of living.

Actually i am planning on moving out of the country once i get my degree. But it all depends on where the job markets are at.
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« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2003, 10:23:11 PM »
Well if 30 or 40 percent of my income had not been confiscated from my paycheck, I might be able to afford to go to other countries.  :)
At current budget levels, I will stick to seeing the USA.  It's a big place with alot of different cultures and ways of living.  :)