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Offline JBA

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Record Deficits
« on: July 22, 2003, 10:42:45 PM »
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Budget: The budget deficit is expected to jump to $450 Billion this year, causing some deficit hawks to warn of a growing “crisis.” Sorry, but the crisis doesn’t exist.

Those who fear the deficit seem surpassingly immune to any lessons from history.

For history shows that most of what we hear about the deficits wrong. This deficit, in the truest sense, isn’t a “record”. It’s not even close. This year the deficit will come in at about $455 billion, or 4.2% of GDP, which is the most meaningful way to measure spending gaps. How big is that?

It doesn’t even make the top five since 1980.

Yet we’re repeatedly warned that record deficits will drive up interest rates. The logic behind that thought, while impeccable, isn’t supported by reality.

Let’s look at the record. At the start of the 1980s-another period of “record” deficits-the 10-year Treasury yield got as high as 15%.
Despite the continued presence of deficits, the 10-year sank to 8% by the end of the 1980s. Interest rates continued to fall during the 1990s. By 2000, the U.S. had triumphed, posting a record surplus. Yet the 10-year Treasury note was still over 6%.
Since then, the deficit has surged. So interest rates have surged too, right? Nope. Long rates are below 4%. It’s pretty clear. If there is any link at all between deficits and interest rates. It’s very weak.

But now that the White House, as one headline put it, “admits” to the “record” deficit, deficit foes say it’s clear something has to be done. But what? In fact, what we’re seeing right now is entirely normal. After an economic downturn, the deficit always gets worse.

It’s a pattern that can be seen in each of the last three recessions. Since 1980, the deficit has averaged 4.5% of GDP in the year after the economy bottomed-just about where it is now.
The reason for this is simple. A shrinking economy brings in less money. So the government spends like crazy to make up the difference, and the deficits gets worse.

So excessive fear of deficits is often used as a bludgeon against good ideas like tax cuts, which inarguably lead to higher growth and a healthier economy. Meanwhile, as those who opose tax cuts wail, Congress is boosting spending at an 8% annual clip.

AS president Bush’s top economist, Stephen Friedman, has noted, just holding the line on that spending for a few years- letting it grow at a pace less then GDP-would cut the deficit to zero in a decade or so. That’s the best way to erase the deficit.

In the meantime, relax. This is no record deficit. Back in 1943, during WWII, the deficit hit 30.3% of GDP. Now, that was a record.
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Offline miko2d

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Re: Record Deficits
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2003, 11:21:11 AM »
JBA: Those who fear the deficit seem surpassingly immune to any lessons from history.

For history shows that most of what we hear about the deficits wrong. This deficit, in the truest sense, isn’t a “record”. It’s not even close. This year the deficit will come in at about $455 billion, or 4.2% of GDP, which is the most meaningful way to measure spending gaps. How big is that?

It doesn’t even make the top five since 1980.


 It's not the heaviest straw the breaks the camel's back but the last one.
 You refer to the past deficits as if they are all gone as this one will be gone as well. That cannot be further from the truth. Every single one of those deficits is still with us, this year and every year - part of our debt.

Since then, the deficit has surged. So interest rates have surged too, right? Nope. Long rates are below 4%. It’s pretty clear. If there is any link at all between deficits and interest rates. It’s very weak.

 The process is purely artificial (while it lasts) and the link is non-existent.
 Federal Reserve expands money by monetising government debt and extending bank credit. If it's easy to obtain credit, you do not have to offer a high interest.
 The resulting inflation or fear of it would normally drive the long-term interests up, but US has been able to export it's inflation to the other countries, mostly Asia in the last decade.

In the meantime, relax. This is no record deficit. Back in 1943, during WWII, the deficit hit 30.3% of GDP. Now, that was a record.

 There is a difference. There was not a deficit in resources. America produced what it consumed - and supplied other countries with real goods  too. All that was needed to conduct the war was there - all the labor, goods, resources, etc. You can shift the burden of paying money onto people in the future to the people who provided necessary resources in the present, but you cannot borrow resources from the future.
 Current operation of the US is supported by the flow $500 billion a year of real goods and resources paid for with paper dollars or securities in return. Whatever growth US has is supported by real funding from asian and european savings rather that american ones.
 If that flow of real goods and real funding stops, we will suffer enormously.

 Yes, our economy may grow faster than debt - but because it is growth is finances by the foreigner's savings (real funding), it can stop quite abruptly if, or rather when they lose confidence.

 miko