Author Topic: Uday and Qusay (Read 1777 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:13:29 PM »

muckmaw: I've got 6 years of higher education and I have no idea what you are trying to say, Miko.
I read 1 sentence that was a triple negative!
Are you using a piece of translation software, or is english your second language?

English is my second language. We often use longer sentences in Russian than english speakers are accustomed to. Not as bad as german but close.
It may be hard for me to judge how clear my statements are, so I am sorry for not being clear at times.

Basically, my point is this:

We know that Hussein family has a lot of money stashed and had plenty of time and opportunities to escape.
Staying in danger is something that a brave patriot would do, not a selfish coward. Of course one has to think for oneself to realise that.

If we had more people capable of independent though, they would ask why the actions of the Hussein family do not match the image depicted by propaganda.

midnight Target: Speculative fact?

We have a few million Kurds who want an independent state including some oil-rich areas. We have a few million Shia who want to democratically establish a fundamental muslim state. There is nothing speculative about that.

We know those are bad, otherwise we would not be preventing them from doing what they want. We want Kurds and southern Shia to be firmly attached to the central "suni triangle" and run by a secular government paying lip service to religious and cultural divercity. We want that government keeping oil pumps operating and the bloodshed to a minimum, while providing opposition to Iran.

If that sounds just like Hussein's program, that's because it is.

miko

midnight Target · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:16:16 PM »

We had a few million loyalists, and a few million rebels and a few million people somewhere in the middle.

How many exactly did George Washington have killed?

(I think you are basing your "necessities of government" on the Soviet Model)

john9001 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:23:36 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Staying in danger is something that a brave patriot would do, not a selfish coward. Of course one has to think for oneself to realise that.

miko

you mean like hitler staying in berlin until the end?

miko2d · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:26:23 PM »

midnight Target: We had a few million loyalists, and a few million rebels and a few million people somewhere in the middle.

I do not blame George Washington personally but quite a few loyalist civilians were killed - and many were forced to leave the country. Of course both sides the "patriots" and the loyalists used a lot of tricks that reduced the actual death toll.

For instance, if you rape the women and then kill the whole families in most cruel and graphic ways, you maximise the effect and induce the rest of the opponents to flee. This way you may not need to kill them and the overal death toll is reduced.

(I think you are basing your "necessities of government" on the Soviet Model)

Absolutely true. But that is what was happening in Iraq and what we are enforcing right now.

miko

Gadfly · « **Reply #34 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:33:56 PM »

Miko, you are wasting your time. They can not understand the argument, any more than they understand the value of a cherry blossom as a valid tactic of War.

john9001 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:46:40 PM »

when the bluebird flys over the white cliffs of dover, fire will fall from the sky on your cities.

Martlet · « **Reply #36 on:** July 22, 2003, 04:10:39 PM »

You have to forgive miko. He's a former commie that moved to the US to talk about the "good old days of the USSR" and how horrible the US is while living off tax payers dollars and trying to learn English. Someone call INS.

Gadfly · « **Reply #37 on:** July 22, 2003, 04:13:17 PM »

Poor Miko, it is terrible to be able to be objective........

ra · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2003, 04:30:49 PM »

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Uday and Qusay staryng in danger in Iraq instead of living elsewhere with their stolen billions does not match well the propaganda image of them as selfish un-patriotic cowards.

Name one country they could have fled to. They lived the life of princes in a crime family, and when they lost power they had no options left. They could trust no one.

ra

miko2d · « **Reply #39 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:01:32 PM »

ra: Name one country they could have fled to. They lived the life of princes in a crime family, and when they lost power they had no options left. They could trust no one.

Your argumant is so simplistic that it takes me quite an effort not to insult your intelligence.

They had to stay somewhere as long as they were stuck on planet Earth, so the question is not whether some country would have been dangerous to them but what country would have been least dangerous place for them - if safety and selfishness were their main concerns.

Could you name a country which was more dangerous to them to stay in than a Kurdish-controlled part of Iraq? More thoroghly searched by larger number of enemy soldiers? Where they had more enemies or people who could have recognised and betrayed them?

I could name quite a few countries where they could have been granted refuge with open or tacit cooperation of a government. Russia would have treated them as heroes, for starters. They could have been safer in US, especially if they got plastic surgery. Or in South America. Or in some other socialist regime.

miko

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:21:01 PM »

REUTERS Official german news agency writes that according to US Army sources Saddams Sons are dead !

http://www.reuters.de/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=3135989

artikel from 10 pm MET

Dowding · « **Reply #41 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:24:29 PM »

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Your argumant is so simplistic that it takes me quite an effort not to insult your intelligence.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:26:41 PM »

bbc sourse

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3088393.stm

john9001 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 22, 2003, 06:11:56 PM »

south america? , well how do you get from iraq to south america? call your travel agent?

ra · « **Reply #44 on:** July 22, 2003, 06:20:34 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
ra: Name one country they could have fled to. They lived the life of princes in a crime family, and when they lost power they had no options left. They could trust no one.

Your argumant is so simplistic that it takes me quite an effort not to insult your intelligence.

They had to stay somewhere as long as they were stuck on planet Earth, so the question is not whether some country would have been dangerous to them but what country would have been least dangerous place for them - if safety and selfishness were their main concerns.

Could you name a country which was more dangerous to them to stay in than a Kurdish-controlled part of Iraq? More thoroghly searched by larger number of enemy soldiers? Where they had more enemies or people who could have recognised and betrayed them?

I could name quite a few countries where they could have been granted refuge with open or tacit cooperation of a government. Russia would have treated them as heroes, for starters. They could have been safer in US, especially if they got plastic surgery. Or in South America. Or in some other socialist regime.

miko

You are always straining not to insult others' intelligence, so you should be used to the effort. It is always so enlightening to read your posts.

Why do you think they chose Mosul if they didn't think it was safe? Do you really think they are patriotic heros who wanted to fight for Iraq?

No country could have let these two in without making itself a target of international sanctions, to say the very least.

Russia??? Yeah, they would love to harbor these two. They want to look even more like a state run by a mafia.

These two stayed put because if they had moved away from their support base, ie their paid bodyguards and assassins, they would have had to make it on their own, living in seclusion in a foreign land. I doubt they knew how to read a train schedule let alone disappear into the world and live anonymously. They had no choice but to go down with the regime. For the last 3 months they have been just delaying the inevitable.

ra