Author Topic: What is this Screeching in my MP3s!? (Read 985 times)

SunKing · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2003, 10:57:42 AM »

sigh... we tried to help you all.

Vermillion · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:31:52 AM »

Maniac, how do you use a proxy (other than a trojan) with peer to peer filesharing? I've seen where you said this in other threads. Honestly curious.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:36:39 AM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Morse code disappeared when the telephone came about.

The last official maritime Morse Code transmission was 4 years ago.

We're not talking about a new medium or technology, it's just a different method of distribution.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:17:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
Totally wrong!!! it aint the user ID its your I.P number wich is important!!!

Actually, it is the port number used, which leads to the IP address. Scan for the active port, find one opened and boom you have the IP address. Pretty trivial.

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:21:05 PM »

There is another way... http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:32:28 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
great question... you dont have the real song ... so how would it be illegal?

Some guy on cops got busted for buying flour that was being passed as cocaine.
-SW

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:41:32 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
great question... you dont have the real song ... so how would it be illegal?

Pedophiles get busted all of the time for trying to hook up with children, when really the person at the other end of the chat session is a cop. It's called intent.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:52:41 PM »

Filetrading is hardly comparable to buying coke or pedophilia though..

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:54:51 PM »

So? Anything is hardly comparible to the next thing, such as marijuana compared to intending to murder someone... but buy a bag of oregano off someone, and get busted... the consequences of having the intent are still present.
-SW

Maniac · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2003, 01:16:53 AM »

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Maniac, how do you use a proxy (other than a trojan) with peer to peer filesharing? I've seen where you said this in other threads. Honestly curious.

Theres a program called SocksCAP wich enables you to run ALL your programs thru any Socks 4/5 proxys...

capt. apathy · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2003, 01:46:19 AM »

unless they released the song in an mp3 version I don't see how it's infringment at all. it's not the same data as an audio file. just a digital discription of the file to let my computer know how to reproduce a simular sound. it all seems a little unclear exactlly what is stealing a copy and what isn't.

for example many museums will let you take Photos of their paintings. some even post their own pics of their inventory and this is legal. much like you are legitamatly allowed to make backups of games and music.

if I show these pics to a friend or even give them to him thats ok too as long as I don't use these reproductions to make a profit (selling them or using them in advertising). so how is it that music would be different? as long as you're not selling copys, loading them onto a jukebox where you charge people to hear them, or otherwise making some sort of profit. then where's the problem?

after all this isn't an original cd stolen from a store and then sold on the black market. we're talking about an image, or copy that is being shared freely without profit.

if I buy a painting, then take a pictue of it, then since I enjoy it so much and am so proud of my wonderful new painting that I post a photo of it on the web so all my friends can see it, would that be a crime too? why or why not? what's the difference.

when the great museums post photos of the paintings in their inventory are they setting themselves up for lawsuit?

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 31, 2003, 07:50:38 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
after all this isn't an original cd stolen from a store and then sold on the black market. we're talking about an image, or copy that is being shared freely without profit.

If you rented Lord of the Rings, made 100 copies of the DVD, then gave them away on the street corner, do you understand how that is a violation of copyright law?

capt. apathy · « **Reply #27 on:** July 31, 2003, 10:38:21 AM »

different, this is a copy of something I own.

also this is not an exact duplicate. much like the difference between buying a painting and giving your friends a picture. I mean both pic and painting a 2 dimensional vissual images, of a given scene. but they are not exactly the same.

as the audio file sold on a cd is also a digitalised audio image of a song, it is not exactly the same thing as the mp3 coded audio image that is not recorded in hard copy, but rather just allowed to leave the confines of my pc.

am I also setting myself up for lawsuit when I play my stereo loud enough that the neihbors could record it?

what about radio stations? why is it different when they broadcast it? is it because there signal doesn't go over wires? is it because it's not the exact digital code that is going over the broadcast but an audio version? if the later is true than wouldn't mp3s be the same thing as they are not the exact code either.

if the radio is ok because of the airwaves thing then would file sharing be ok if I used a wireless modem? would the cable tv company be in trouble for the music they send out down the same cable file swapping is done on.

the record comapnys want you to think this is a black and white clear issue of stealing their product and it's just not so. it's a huge confusing grey area here, and while this is not exactly like sittuation we've run into before, there are many activitys that are simular(making casett copys of albums, photos of paintings, radio stations broadcasting music,...) and all of them are legal.

the only real difference between the legal and illegal activity is that the record companys don't like this one. and I don't see that as any kind of basis to make law on.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 31, 2003, 12:28:12 PM »

Originally posted by capt. apathy
different, this is a copy of something I own.

OK, BUY a copy of LOTR, make 100 copies and give them away. Do you understand how THIS is a copyright violation? Set up a TV transmitter and broadcast it through your neighborhood, this is also a copyright violation. The medium doesn't matter. You do not have the right to copy AND distribute it.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #29 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:27:07 PM »

actually, buying it and handing out hard copys isn't the same thing as broadcating.

the mainlegal problem with a home radio station would be having an unlicensed transmitter, and if you did set it up for broadcast on a legitamate station then it would be to increase your ratings wich would be a profit situation.

again, how is this different from a radio station broadcasting the same songs?

the only situation I see as a clear cut violation is when you set your settings to only share files with those willing to share. (as in the 'only allow users sharing xx or more songs'), you are sharing on a condition of them giving something back which would be a type of profit, and IMO clearly a copyright violation.