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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2003, 09:20:11 AM »
Why would they be? If elliptical wings would have been such a great idea, everyone would have been using them..

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2003, 09:38:32 AM »
Again, the elliptical wing was very unpractical in manufacture, however offering a certain aerodynamical benefit.
The merits of the ellipse: Lower induced drag pro square
The loss: more wing area than perhaps necessary, causing induced drag.
Another merit: lower wing loading leading to lower A of A during flight, decreasing drag again, - especially at lower speeds. Putting it like Theo Ostercamp: the Spitfire was flying with the nose much more level than our 109's, - surely a benefit.

Comparing those two fighters BTW will give the Spit the edge in regard of the ellipse (roughly 5% less induced drag for the wing size) and the wing loading is a lot less (roughly a third)!, while the 109 has a more favourable aspect ratio.
The all over results are quite interesting, - the two planes are very much alike in performance, with the speed cup going to the 109 if anything, while the aerobatics cup goes to the Spitty.
BTW, an elliptical wing is sometimes referred to as an "aerobatic" wing.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2003, 10:02:34 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Mr. Schmued began his career at the Bayerische Flugzeug Werke in Munich in 1934, and left in late 1937 when certain political idiots started investigating aspects of his family history.


My info is from Ray Wagners biography of Schmued ("Mustang Designer"). It says that Schmued emigrated to Brazil in 1925 and from there to US (to stay) in 1930.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2003, 10:22:41 AM »
No, but they probably have better railways than us (although not as good as ze Germans who have always been good at that sort of thing).
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2003, 10:23:46 AM »
"Edgar Schmued was born al Hornback, Germany, 30 December 1899. At age eight, he first saw an airplane in flight and decided that aviation was to be his life's work. Edgar embarked early on a rigorous program of self-study to become an engineer, and later served an apprenticeship in a small engine factory. He also designed several innovative engine components for which he received patents. In his spare time, he continued the self-study of aviation. His experience in Germany led to employment with the General Motors Corporation in Brazil, and later with a General Motors subsidiary in the United Stales, the Fokker Aeroplane Company, where he began his career as an airplane design engineer.

In 1935, North American Aviation (NAA) was formed in Los Angeles, California, from General Motors. The talented and inventive Schmued by now a citizen of the United States was employed by North American in early 1936 as a preliminary design engineer and later became Chief of Preliminary Design. During his long tenure at NAA, he contributed greatly to the design of many airplanes.

By far his most famous design was the highly successful P-51 Mustang of World War II. His adaptation of the then new laminar flow wing and other innovations made the P-51 performance outstanding in all respects and its flying qualifies superb. This aircraft was still winning races and setting speed records for piston engine-powered airplanes decades after its production had ended. Edgar Schmued died at Oceanside, California, on 1 June 1985."
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2003, 12:17:27 PM »
For me, the Air & Space article settles it.

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2003, 12:39:18 PM »
Schmued sounds like a Jewish name, and that would explain why he left Germany in the 1930's.

Did he work for Messerschmitt? I don't know, but I don't think so. Either way he was a German, and so the P-51 was primarely designed by a German. Historical irony of fate for the LW pilots.
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