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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2003, 12:45:52 AM »
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I tried a 70 grain bp load in my replica Sharps 50-70 using a round .50 lead ball, and that was a tight fit pushing the ball with my thumb and then a small block of wood to compress it...the ball went halfway exactly. Pyrodex wouldn't work because of the cartridge volume.


you are very lucky you couldn't get the pyrodex to fit.

if you weigh out enough pyrodex to match the recomended BP charge, you won't only have excess volume issues but are over-charging your gun, and could end up dead.  

the easiest way to figure the pyrodex is just use a standard BP measure (the kind that measure volume), and then everythings the same.  or if you are reloading BP cartridges,  use BP with your scale and auto-measure to get your auto-measure set to the proper charge, then just switch to the pyrodex.  

so unless you have acurate and adjustable BP volume measures, you will need some BP on hand while you work up your initial loads so you can compare, volume for volume.

the up-side is there is no reason why you couldn't now use the cleaner and more stable pyrodex.  just fill your cases to the same level you fill them with BP and ignore the weight.

edit- PS take the time to work up the long range loads with the Sharps.  it's what it was made for.  well worth the effort. it's been maybe 10 yrs since I fired one but it was great at long range.  do you have the adjustable rear sight (the kind where you flip it up and 'dial in' the range?  they are very nice if you don't you might want to shop for one.  a great gun though, tight groups at over 200 yds
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2003, 01:22:17 AM »
Thanks for the info Capt. Apathy.  I don't shoot much nowadays due to old eye, and other interests that take up time.   I went to the Dallas SHOT show a few years back, and visited a display of Sharps rifles.  Started talking to the fellow there, and when I told him about using smokeless Blue Dot, he said I'd blow myself up.  Though the rifle is designed for modern powder, and is a falling block modern rifle  (Garrett Arms.)

There is reloading info about the 50-70 in the Lyman manual, and I never had a problem with it.  The rifle surprizingly kicks about like a .22 with minimum load (because it's so front heavy), and the report is about like a .22 also, not all that loud in the woods.

My version is the 1873, I believe.  It's the military carbine, and was in military use for about 6 months, before the Winchester 1873 was adopted by the Army.  I think those are the right dates, but can't remember exactly.  Haven't thought about it in a while and don't remember all the facts about this rifle's history.

Sounds like you have the hunting version, which is more accurate due to the longer barrel and tang sights.  The sights on my rifle are fixed forward and back with no adjustments.  The hunting versions are more expensive and better rifles.  They're cool too, with a choice of 45-70,  50-70,  50-90,  and 50-140....   The 50-140 cartridge is about 4 inches long.  Sharps was used for buffalo hunting.



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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2003, 04:16:20 AM »
you might try using conical bullets instead of round ball. round ball is better in slow twist rifles, conical in fast twist. that sharps prolly has a fast twist. ive also heard a trick, load the powder into the brass then use cornmeal to top off the load instead of a piece of fabric. you will have to work out how much to use to get that "compressed load effect". cornmeal wont harm the bore or foul the barrel.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2003, 09:20:34 AM »
yep, the corn meal works great for light loads.  keeps all the powder back by the primer for an even burn.

that works for light loads in any gun too, not just BP.

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2003, 10:23:30 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2003, 11:16:32 AM »
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Is this the .401 you have?

http://www.bdlltd.com/2326-_Winchester_1910_SLR-_right_side.jpg


By George, THAT's IT!!! :D


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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2003, 11:39:44 AM »
No problem.  It's a Winchester 1910 SLR .401 Caliber

You can still order ammo for it.

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2003, 01:12:11 PM »
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By George, THAT's IT!!! :D


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Pretty cool looking gun.  Looks like some sort of WW1 soldier's rifle.

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2003, 01:26:53 PM »
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My dad has got a couple of old rifles (handed down to him by his dad :) ) that I am trying to find ammunition for.  He's getting up there in age and wants to relive his youth and go cap some rounds thru them.

The first one is a 38-55.  I don't know the manufacturer.  It is a lever action, top eject with a really cool octagonal barrel :D.  Its got an 8 round tube magazine under the barrel. I cannot for the life of me find ammo for this thing.  I've got one round (from about 1960) and its like a small artillery round.

 

The second is a .401 carbine (Remington I think, but not sure).  Same issue.  I cannot find ammunition for it.

Does anyone know of anyplace that might manufacture this old ammo?

thanks!
ok you probly have here ia a old winchester i have a collection of them myself wincherster makes factory ammo for em or you can buy dies for it i all so make my own.  thats for the 38/55 i can buy them at walmart.


 OK a few peaple still make ammo for this to .401  

    i have a die to make them but i can order ammo for it from shotgun news .
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