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Offline Skuzzy

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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2003, 07:46:28 AM »
1)  Complain long and loud to your ISP about allowing ports 13x to be propagated to/from the Internet.  This is the source of most problems.
2)  Hit the MS update site regularly.  This worm would have had zero effect on anyone that would have kept up on the patches for XP/2K.

I would say 99.9% of the firewall users have no idea how to properly configure a firewall.  The brute force approach is to block all ports, including those that have nothing running on them.  It yells to the Internet, "I HAVE A FIREWALL, TRY AND BREAK IN!"
People are too paranoid or lack the understanding of how networking operates.
First, there is absolutely no way any software can connect to your computer, unless the port is already opened on your computer.  It is a networking impossibility for that to happen.  Thus, if you must run a firewall, at lease just block the ports that are opened on your computer.  The NetBIOS 13x ports are the serious ones.  Port 443 for XP/2K is the other port.

I do not like software firewalls for one big reason.  They steal CPU cycles away from all other software.  I do not like consumer/personal routers as they are not complete.  They lack load balancing, they use a very slow CPU, they do not have a complete NAT solution (or are very limited due to lack of ram) and they propagate NetBIOS ports (really stupid).
Of course, they have a firewall added to a CPU which is basically overloaded already (most have a 16Mhz CPU, and run a mini-version of Linux).

Anywho, I use a Linux box (Slackware) for all the work.  A 233Mhz system with 32MB of ram and 2 nice ethernet cards.  Of course, I have 6 computers on my LAN, and a couple of networked printers as well.  My router has been up for just about a year now, with no reboots and no problems.  Anyone having problems with type of setup simply did something wrong or did not understand how to set it up properly.
The nice thing about this is Linux will not propagate NetBIOS ports, even though I run Samba on it for a shared partition (does not propagate beyond my LAN).  I have it handle all incoming email so it can toss any incoming attachments (always hated those things).  I use it for my name server (more reliable than the ISP's is), and it handles my outbound email (masquerades so even my local IP's do not show up in the email header).
I have no firewalls or anti-virus programs running on any of my computers and have never gotten a virus on any of the systems.

Admittedly, this is not something everyone can do.  It does take some knowledge and understanding of a lot of different aspects of networking, Linux, sendmail, samba, BIND, fetch, tcp wrappers and so on.
But, if you already have a computer laying around, it is about as cheap as solution as you can get and works much better than the consumer routers will ever be able to do.
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« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2003, 08:16:01 AM »
NetBIOS should be disabled on default and only enabled by the user if he needs to.
NetBIOS is completely useless for most people around and yet they're keeping this gaping hole open to their computer, since it's been so out of the package and they have no idea whats NetBIOS.

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« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2003, 08:32:28 AM »
Your right curval. I know just enough to get myself in trouble. After that I rely on my nerd squadies to help me out. ;)

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Anywho, I use a Linux box (Slackware) for all the work. A 233Mhz system with 32MB of ram and 2 nice ethernet cards. Of course, I have 6 computers on my LAN, and a couple of networked printers as well. My router has been up for just about a year now, with no reboots and no problems. Anyone having problems with type of setup simply did something wrong or did not understand how to set it up properly.
The nice thing about this is Linux will not propagate NetBIOS ports, even though I run Samba on it for a shared partition (does not propagate beyond my LAN). I have it handle all incoming email so it can toss any incoming attachments (always hated those things). I use it for my name server (more reliable than the ISP's is), and it handles my outbound email (masquerades so even my local IP's do not show up in the email header).
I have no firewalls or anti-virus programs running on any of my computers and have never gotten a virus on any of the systems.

Admittedly, this is not something everyone can do. It does take some knowledge and understanding of a lot of different aspects of networking, Linux, sendmail, samba, BIND, fetch, tcp wrappers and so on.
But, if you already have a computer laying around, it is about as cheap as solution as you can get and works much better than the consumer routers will ever be able to do.
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« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2003, 08:45:31 AM »
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Note that there's not really such thing as a "hardware firewall". You can buy of course a nice box dedicated and tuned to be a firewall, but you can bet there's some software inside it running the show.


Well, since we're on a technical subject here, many firewalls don't have any software, rather they have firmware.

Skuzzy, I have to disagree about the low end stuff. I find most of the small boxes do NAT quite well and handle the load of less than 5 PCs with ease. At least that's been my experience, and I've seen and supported many in use. Furthermore, I've never seen one hacked, not that it's not possible, just haven't seen it.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2003, 08:54:26 AM »
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Well, since we're on a technical subject here, many firewalls don't have any software, rather they have firmware.


hu ?
There is not difference between firmware  and software ... it's in both case a sequence of code executed by a CPU

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« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2003, 09:02:12 AM »
There's enough difference for there to be a name for each.
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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2003, 09:04:47 AM »
Well theres plenty of viruses that reset your bios, or corrupts your bios, this is the tactic for infecting "hardware firewalls" i guess...

They "djust" have to find an exploit on the specified hardware firewall that let the "hacker" run his code on it...
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« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2003, 09:14:33 AM »
No doubt they can be hacked. Takes a hands on approach though and is a lot of effort. No worms doing it anyways, so far. And why bother when all you'll likely find on the other side is Joe Blow's home PC.
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« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2003, 11:12:16 AM »
it's not 'WHAT' goes 'OUT' of your puter that is dangerous....

it's 'who' or 'what' that is trying to come 'IN'.....(they use your computer ports for that)

usually you will try to stop anything coming 'IN' with a Firewall.

if ya really paranoid....you check both.

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« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2003, 11:47:00 AM »
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it's not 'WHAT' goes 'OUT' of your puter that is dangerous....
 


You've obviously never plugged a 486 cpu in the wrong way and had parts of it punch a hole in your ceiling when the machine was turned on.  :D

Neither have I but I've seen the results.
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« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2003, 01:44:23 PM »
But if i use my 486 for a gateway I wont be able to play AH with it anymore:(
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« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2003, 02:02:05 PM »
What would we be up to now if Intel had continued the x86 naming convention? 886?

So, will a P5 be called a PP (Pentium Pentium)?
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« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2003, 03:34:43 PM »
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I have no firewalls or anti-virus programs running on any of my computers and have never gotten a virus on any of the systems.
 

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« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2003, 03:41:46 PM »
LOL daddog!

True rpm.  I do not have any IRC programs installed, nor any file sharing programs, nor any instant messengers.  None of them are worth the headaches they will eventually cause.
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« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2003, 04:04:07 PM »
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There's enough difference for there to be a name for each.

hahem ... synonym ring a bell ?