Question for left wingers

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Yeager
Liberals are generally athiest but many seem to actually hate the concept of god.  Poor bastards......

Hehe... I don't hate it. I just do not see the necessity of it.

[Wanker]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
This is fallacy. Liberals are not necessarily immoral simply because their morals do not equal your own. For me, it's not about personal responsibility. I think everyone should be responsible for their actions. Still, I have absolutely no use for the biblical moral compass that seems to motivate the right. I have my own. I've never been arrested. I pay my taxes. I provide for my family... and I haven't hurt anyone in doing so.

Oh... and I'm not a democrat.

You too, Sandman?

Looks like at least two liberals aren't the "bad guys" they make us out to be. Wonder if there could be more?

[JBA]

Originally posted by Erlkonig
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml

Your not really site a BERKELY research paper on conservatism are you?

The dean of liberalism

[Wanker]

Originally posted by sonostudmuffinun
Read again.  I didn't say immoral, I said amoral.  I meant without a moral compass.  Morality is not always based on bliblical principals, although the Bible does provide a solid foundation.

Let me get this straight. All liberals have no morals(amoral), and all conservatives are moral.

Riiiiiiight.

[Eagler]

Researchers help define what makes a political conservative

By Kathleen Maclay, Media Relations | 22 July 2003 (revised 7/25/03)

BERKELEY – ....

[Yeager]

This is the part I like.  Im almost ready to classify it as a *gem*
====
Liberals are not necessarily immoral simply because their morals do not equal your own.
====
I think without recognizing it, the author has broken down the hype and called liberalism what it truly is.

[Sandman]

Regardless of the source, I think this is spot on:

"Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity."

[Erlkonig]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Umm, could I use Rush Limbaugh's webpage for a reference in what makes a Liberal? Would make as much sense as using "Little Havana"  (we like to call Berkeley) as a reference for Conservatives..

Umm, you already dredged up the scribblings of some bottom-of-the-barrel conservative "columnist," who apparently reached his conclusions over a cup of coffee (that his kids spit in, prolly) and a copy of National Review, from a website in the dark, far, far right-wing corner of the Internet.

But of course, if you bothered to read the article I quoted you would have found out that it is simply a news brief summary of a published psychology article written by researchers from Berkeley, Stanford, and UMD.  But you're prolly just too skurd to find out about yourself what we already knew about you anyway.

haha

[Wanker]

Originally posted by JBA
The exacted opposite is true. When you listen to liberals the first words out of most liberal’s mouths when referring to conservatives are, “extreme, racist, homophobe, McCarthyism, stupid, uncaring, anti-environmental, anti-civil rights.” History, and voting records have show that Republicans have voted in greater numbers as a percentage of delegates in favor of all these issues then Democrats.

Just like the first words out of conservatives mouths when referring to liberals are "communist, socialist, amoral, unholy, unpatriotic, crybabies, deadbeats, welfare mongers, etc."

I agree, it's sad that both sides use these tactics.

[muckmaw]

I don't know what I am!

I'm so confused. I think I'm mostly Conservative with a few liveral views.

Where do I take the test to find out what I am?

[Wanker]

Simple, Muck. If you don't agree with Yeager's world view, you're a bad guy, and should be hanging from a rope!

Have nice day!

[sonofagun]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Same thing... liberals aren't amoral simply because their morals don't equal your own.

Let me clarify myself.  When I refer to liberals in the above context, I refer to diehard liberals who base their morality on their own perception of the way things ought to be.

  You may have not made the transition to conservatism yet.
My transition started when I started having children and started worrying about the world that they would grow up in.  With the coming of my grandchildren, I have blossomed into a diehard conservative.

Now, rather than tell my children that I personally believe that , for instance, abortion should be rare but legal, I can teach them that abortion is absolutely , without a doubt, the killing of a baby who had no chance to have his or her rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness considered whatsoever.

[Thud]

"(Liberal and left were once very different, but not anymore.)"

Only the first sentence and he has proven beyond doubt that he's a simpleton.. Why bother posting something by someone like that? Guess it's very convenient though if you need clear and rigorous divisions to avoid getting confused...

[Sandman]

Originally posted by sonostudmuffinun
Let me clarify myself.  When I refer to liberals in the above context, I refer to diehard liberals who base their morality on their own perception of the way things ought to be.

I've seen this before... I just don't understand it.

  You may have not made the transition to conservatism yet.
My transition started when I started having children and started worrying about the world that they would grow up in.  With the coming of my grandchildren, I have blossomed into a diehard conservative.

 I have two teenage children and I'm over 40. I'm about as conservative as I'm going to get.

Now, rather than tell my children that I personally believe that , for instance, abortion should be rare but legal, I can teach them that abortion is absolutely , without a doubt, the killing of a baby who had no chance to have his or her rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness considered whatsoever.

 I'm not pro-abortion. I'm pro-choice simply because I believe that this is a very difficult decision that belongs to the parent and not some government entity. I do not believe that a group should have the right to say what a women may or may not do with her own womb. Certainly, many will lament the lack of personal responsibilty. I dislike the lack of personal authority that goes with this complaint.

[Ripsnort]

This author pretty much sums up my feelings:

Conservatives believe in the wisdom of common Americans to manage their affairs and make decisions for themselves. Exceptions to this are the half of the public who regularly vote Democratic. These common Americans are unfit to run their affairs and make decisions for themselves. It is because they been deluded by liberal propaganda.

Liberals also believe in the inherent wisdom of common Americans, especially those who don't have any. They think that the mother lode of wisdom lies on the low side of the bell curve. They discern qualities in the stupid, ignorant, and shiftless that engender a capacity to govern a country they can't spell. Coincidentally, these people vote Democratic.

Liberals do not believe in the wisdom of the half of the country who vote Republican, as these are all CEOs of major corporations. The Left knows that CEOs, unlike welfare recipients, are motivated by economic interest.

Conservatives believe that it is not the business of government to legislate morality, and thus want laws against abortion, pornography, sex education, and marijuana. Liberals don't want to legislate morality either. They want to eliminate it, along with learning, thought, civility, and other impediments to the undisturbed enjoyment of uniform mental darkness.

(A third point of view is held by Libertarians, but I'm not sure what it is. I have never been able to distinguish Libertarianism from a bull session in a sophomore dorm.)

The Right believes passionately in freedom, particularly economic freedom. The conservative therefore cherishes his right to strip-mine Appalachia. He does not, however, believe in your right to build a hog-rendering plant next to his house. That would violate zoning laws.

The Left believes in economic freedom too, specifically the unalienable right of the shiftless to be supported by someone else. Oddly, the someone else is usually a conservative businessman.

Now, confusion is essential to politics. Just as third-world countries regularly mistake incompetence for socialism, liberals mistake peasantry for equality. Thus they promote the decline of civilization with the enthusiasm of Crusaders sacking Jerusalem, making us into dim comfortable serfs ungrammatically grunting.

Conservatives also are subject to confusion. They regard unrestricted rapacity as a virile expression of freedom, like being in George Washington's army, and so favor reproductive incontinence, overbuilding, and the making of anything slow enough to be caught into dog food.

In short, Left and Right both strain to make the world unlivable, with liberals degrading the human world and conservatives, the natural. We can work together if only we try.

Economically, conservatives say that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Liberals say that if it ain't broke, tax it till it is. The economic philosophy of conservatives is to take what they can get. The liberal philosophy is also to take what conservatives can get, and use it to buy votes. This is a form of trickle-down. Consequently liberals are seen to be Reaganites. The study of politics is endlessly enlightening.

Race is a major divide between Left and Right. Conservatives don't give a wan emaciated damn about blacks, whom they regard in electoral terms as the equivalent of a golf handicap. This distinguishes them from liberals, who don't give a damn about blacks, but find it useful to pretend. Blacks don't give a damn about blacks either, or they would cause their children to do their homework. In this tripartite agreement we may have the seeds of national accord.

Racially, the underlying difference between Left and Right is that the liberal policy is active, the conservative passive. Conservatives are content to do nothing and let blacks rot. So, usually, are blacks. Liberals make sure that blacks rot by promoting bastardy as a birthright and illiteracy as a credential of cultural authenticity. Otherwise blacks might make money and vote Republican.

However, liberals and conservatives agree on one thing. When their first child reaches school age, they head for the white suburbs. The difference is that while conservatives admit to each other that they are avoiding black schools, liberals say that they seek the wide open spaces or want their little boy to be near the hockey rink.

The Right opposes abortion as being murder when someone else's sixteen-year-old is pregnant by a tattooed drifter with a guitar and a vanishing IQ. This is why Roe-vs.-Wade will never be repealed: Conservatives also have daughters. Conservatives do think that abortion should be legal in cases of rape and incest, making it acceptable to murder children whose fathers behaved badly.

While conservatives see abortion as murder, liberals see murder as convenience. If a woman changes her mind twelve seconds before giving birth to a perfectly healthy baby, liberals want a doctor to kill it for her. Presumably it takes a curious sort of doctor, but that is another matter.

Left and Right differ in social consciousness. Liberals oppose elitism, and send their children to Harvard to avoid it. Conservatives support elitism, and send their children to Harvard to practice it. By elitism, the liberal elite mean that everyone but themselves should live in a uniform state of social and moral degradation. The conservative means by elitism the view that the better is preferable to the worse. He dislikes degradation, in part because it invariably produces Democrats.[/size]

Liberals like government because it enables them to misbehave. Conservatives believe that the best government is the least government. The perfect government is therefore no government. Thus conservatives are seen to be anarchists, like Bakunin.

Conservatives oppose the intrusion of government into the private life, which explains why a Republican administration is rapidly turning the United States into a surveillance state. Yet the leftist American Civil Liberties Union opposes the creeping advance of the unblinking eye. This might seem puzzling. Actually we are witnessing the formation of a hybrid system: The wretched political aims of communist regimes pursued by efficient capitalist means. No communist state could make computers good enough for the new watched hive. (I think of this convergence as Bimeddlism.)

Left and Right work together more often than you might think. Hollywood, the home of freewheeling unprincipled capitalism, is also the wellhead of the socially destructive social agendas of the left. The movie industry grows rich by promoting promiscuity, violence, and the use of drugs. Then its denizens appear on television to denounce the chaos they have engendered, blaming it on capitalism and conservatives.

OK. I've understood all the politics I can handle today. I need a drink, or maybe anesthesia. I know a bartender who has knockout drops.