Combat Trim - To Use or Not To Use, That is the Question

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by Maniac:
Funked,

So CT aint easy mode because its not the same as the WB easy mode?

It helps people fly the AC, i consider that an easy mode.

Regards

Maybe so, Maniac.  By that definition, you are correct.  

I don't think it gives anyone an advantage though.  I tried it, and found it actually was a disadvantage in combat.  But thats from my experience.  

Cobra

[funked]

Maniac, read Hobo's question again.  He's asking a practical question about whether it's like WB easy mode or not, from a flying standpoint.

[miko2d]

 Real pilots had analog trom wheels or handles. They knew what position of the wheel corresponded to which speed and could set it by feel without thinking.
 They could also just turn the wheel untill the stick pressure dissapeared while the stick was off-center.

 Even with a throttle hat or wheel we do not have a feel where our trim is. We have to look at the cockpit trim indicators or wait for the effects, (which we also cannot feel because of lack of stick feedback).
 We do not have any sticks that can change their centering.
 Also in reall life a 3-feet stick and realistic forces made it much easier to fly straigh without trim by compensating with the stick deflection.
 Dealing with trim in WB and AH is much more difficult then it was in real life. Of course some people excell in it. But that difficulty has nothing to do with realism.

 To the question:
 AH CT does not stabilise the aircraft as WB EZ mode did. You stall and spin as easy as with manual trim. All it does is it save you a few keystrokes. You pay for that by not being in a perfect trim most of the time.

miko

[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 10-27-2000).]

[Maniac]

Oh sorry.



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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[funked]

 
I miss seeing your P-51D.  I still owe you a kill!  

[Maniac]

HEHE! all i can say is check six  

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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Hamish]

I Absolutely LOVE WB's ez mode, and it's no joke. It gives me the opportunity to start my 4 year old son out flying, and teach him the basics. He absolutely loves it. I figure once he gets a grasp of the charateristics of Yaw/Pitch/ and Roll, and basic gunnery, I can Graduate him to AH in Offline mode. By then we'll have more drones that do more than circles around the airfield  

P.S. To this date: my son has 2 Air to Air kills in WB's EZ mode.  

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Hamish!

 
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[This message has been edited by Hamish (edited 10-27-2000).]

[Purzel]

Hí !

Well, it might be that RL-Pilots didnt have or dont have CT. But that is not really a factor. And for anyone whos a HC-Realism-Freak: I once read a post by Andy Bush in which he stated that tha lack of good trim of a plane has as often decided an air-combat as the color of the pilots hair.
I dont know what you think - but haircolor doesnt seem to be a major point to me concerning AC. I trust Andy when he talks about such things - just like any reasonable person should w less RL-combat-experience than he has. I have none, to make that clear.
So, it shoundnt do no difference if someone uses CT. At least when we compare it to RL.
And I have to say I use it. But not all the time. And the reason therefore is easy: Ever got cought in a spin w CT on? It really sucks because CT "pulls" on the stick all the time...
As someone stated above: when flying fast and trying to turn hard - u wont be able to go to the AC's limits in AH when CT is on. When such a person has it turned on he is more likely to overshoot and not to pull enough lead to hit the nme. If it is turned off he can do all the things above - but then he is risking to overstress the plane. And then I would like to know: how often did it happen the RL-Pilots would overstress their plane in RL when in full control of the AC? I dont think it has happened often...
To make a long story short: Noone should have and IMHO has a signifikant advantage by using CT. And therefore it is not an easymode (although I dont know how easy mode really worked in WB, AH is my first online-sim but it sounds like giving an advantage).
OK, thats it...thx for your attention  

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CU

Purzel

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"Find the enemy and shoot him down, everything else is nonsense!"
M. von Richthofen

[This message has been edited by Purzel (edited 10-27-2000).]

[Toad]

I second what Purzel said.

Those of you that think trim somehow separates the men pilots from the boy pilots in RL air combat need to re-read the numerous posts Andy Bush has made on the subject.

Due to the way the flight models in this game AND WB were designed, trim has a completely, absolutely OVEREMPHASIZED role in dogfighting. It is a "game" aspect rather than a RL aspect to online air combat.

CT is an attempt to correct that, pure and simple.

Now, as to Hobo's question, I don't use CT. At the present time, I don't think it helps me. I feel I can trim faster and more effectively using the manual mode. I think with a little practice, you can too.

I look forward to the continued development of CT, however.

[Wanker]

I tried CT for a couple of weeks, but found it to be more of a hindrance than a help, so I disabled it.

I also don't use the padlock.

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by banana:

I also don't use the padlock.

Thread Hijacker!!!

Cobra  

[Paxil]

It amuses me that people think that pressing keys on a computer keyboard is somehow a more realistic way to handle aircraft trim than CT. Don't remember seeing keyboards in any WWII fighter cockpits. I think HTC did a great job with CT... made it so you don't have to deal with trim if you don't want to, but there seems to be circumstance where you can get more performance if you manage trim yourself. To each his own.

[mason22]

don't give in hblair!!

[SOB]

I hate combat trim...it just gets in the way of you controlling the aircraft.  The worst is when you're taking off...I always auto climb my niki shortly after I leave the runway.  Try doing this with combat trim on...Nose, meet ground  


SOB

[Yeager]

I would like to take credit for Combat Trim in AcesHigh.

I also invented the internet and my realtionship with my wife was the inspiration for "Love Story"......

YeaGORE