Should we

[SFRT - Frenchy]

be able to black out and still have control of the planes?

I had many deflections kills by tracking the enemy flight path, pull hard on the stick, blacking out keep pulling THEN shooting guns.

[Kaz]

Adding to that, when pilot wounded we still have full control of aircraft when unconscious. That's one thing, another is once bailed out of the plane, if we bailed that is, that the unconsciousness disappears.

[Duedel]

Yep we surely need an improved pilot damage model

But honestly the question is only if in RL a pilot has control when in black out mode or not. If so yes we should have it too. If not ...

[Karnak]

Frenchy,

A black out is not unconsciousness, it is a loss of vision.  Prolonged exposure to high G forces will result in unconsciousness, but short duration high G experienced in fighter combat normally only results in a loss of vision while retaining the ability to act.

[ramzey]

And Polish fighter ace Col Urbanowicz write in moments of blackout or redout he freeze his hands and legs to not move them during manuvers.

He was advenced areobatic traiiner in military air school before war.

His word are from book describing his fight with Zeros in Asia.

So, "no control" during blackout its quite correct

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
be able to black out and still have control of the planes?

I had many deflections kills by tracking the enemy flight path, pull hard on the stick, blacking out keep pulling THEN shooting guns.

That's how I get inside Zero/Zeke turns when I make high speed passes.  Yank until I go black and fire, ease up on stick, check six and see the bad guy in flames.



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[BenDover]

Originally posted by Karnak
Frenchy,

A black out is not unconsciousness, it is a loss of vision.  Prolonged exposure to high G forces will result in unconsciousness, but short duration high G experienced in fighter combat normally only results in a loss of vision while retaining the ability to act.

which is modeled.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by ramzey
And Polish fighter ace Col Urbanowicz write in moments of blackout or redout he freeze his hands and legs to not move them during manuvers.

He was advenced areobatic traiiner in military air school before war.

His word are from book describing his fight with Zeros in Asia.

So, "no control" during blackout its quite correct

It sounds like he is saying he could move his legs and arms, but locked them in place using his muscles so that he wouldn't do someting stupid.

It doesn't sound like he is saying that he could't move when blacked out.  Particularly "not move them during manuvers" sounds like he was trying explicitly not to move, not that he was incapable.

[ramzey]

correct Karnak

He not move to not do something stiupid.
And you can treat that as prevent before doing something stiupid

[Karnak]

ramzey,

A simulation shouldn't do anything to prevent the player form doing something stupid.  The player needs to learn not to do stupid things.

[Purzel]

G-LOC is not the same as a black out.

I think neccesary for modelling G-LOC is modelling reasonable pilot fatigue, the depending black-out and then the loss of conscious.

Right now AFAIK we black out evertime we exceed 5 Gs (or whatever). IF G-LOC is going to be modelled it shouldnt be the same way. Pulling 5Gs for X seconds doesnt always cause G-LOC. somtimes it does, sometime it doesnt, depending on the pilot, but as well on other factors.

So, the way it is now is ok more or less.