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Offline Dinger

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2001, 09:38:00 PM »
A little more complicated than that.
excite is bankrupt.  The price point to the consumer was ridiculous.  Even worse was the price charged to the cable providers.  Currently, the Cable companies pay excite something like $20/customer.  They used to pay _far_ less.  AT&T, one of those cable providers, is trying to buy it up for something like $300 million.  Up until the offer, AT&T had a controlling interest in Excite.  

Now go back to what Scuzzy said -- the writing was on the wall from Day 1.
The creditors are claiming that AT&T used its controlling share of Excite to bankrupt the company intentionally so that they could get a dominant share of the broadband market at firesale prices.  Their reponse is to request Excite's assets be frozen until AT&T makes a more reasonable offer (or the thing is settled in court).

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2001, 09:48:00 PM »
ExciteAtHome Cleared to Disconnect
 
 
Updated: Fri, Nov 30 8:26 PM EST


A judge said bankrupt ExciteAtHome could turn off its high-speed cable Internet service this weekend, which could affect more than 4 million subscribers around the country.


Lawyers for the cable companies that connect their customers to the AtHome network said they planned to appeal the decision to U.S. District Court in San Francisco. Meanwhile, both sides continued to negotiate in order to reach an agreement that would keep the service running.


Bankruptcy Judge Thomas Carlson said Redwood City-based ExciteAt Home could reject its existing contracts with the cable companies as early as 3 a.m. EST Saturday.


The judge was unmoved by the argument that he shouldn't close down the network because it would affect consumers.


"The end users may be affected by these proceedings, but they are not parties to these proceedings," Carlson said. "Bankruptcy typically causes much disruption all the time, leading to loss of jobs and services to communities."


The ruling affects many of the nation's largest cable companies, including AT&T, Comcast Corp. and Cox Communications Inc., that sell Internet access through AtHome's network.


Carlson gave ExciteAtHome the leeway to end the contracts after concluding they had become "clearly burdensome" to the company. Under the contracts, ExciteAtHome executives said the company was losing up to $6 million per week.


ExciteAtHome wants the cable companies to pay a substantially higher connection fee to use its network. Until ExciteAtHome's bankruptcy, the cable companies had been paying a monthly fee of $12 per subscriber. Last month, the cable companies agreed to increase the monthly fee to $20 per subscriber.


The cable companies typically charge their customers $40 to $50 per month to use the AtHome network.


By forcing the cable companies to pay even more to use the high-speed Internet service, ExciteAtHome and the company's bondholders hope to prove the network is worth substantially more than the $307 million that AT&T has bid for it.


The bondholders have accused AT&T of using its controlling position on ExciteAtHome's board to steer the company into bankruptcy as part of a scheme to buy one of the nation's biggest high-speed Internet networks at a bargain price. AT&T has denied the allegations.


Comcast, Cox and Insight Communications had put together an offer to outbid AT&T, but withdrew the proposal when Carlson refused to delay Friday's hearing, said Charles Cohler, an attorney for Comcast. Cohler didn't provide details of the offer.


The bid wasn't substantially higher that AT&T's, said Don Morgan, managing director of Mackay Shields, one of ExciteAtHome's largest bondholders.


The uncertain fate of ExciteAtHome's network could be resolved quickly if the cable companies agreed to share more of the revenue generated by customer subscriptions, Morgan said.


"There is a simple solution to this problem. Money makes this problem go away. Subscribers need to realize that they are paying $50 a month for this service, but (ExciteAtHome) is seeing very little of that," he said.


Lawyers for the cable companies have equated ExciteAtHome's tactics to blackmail.


The bondholders "seek to play a 'game of chicken' in which the threat of a blackout is used to extort the (cable companies) into paying yet more for AtHome's services," AT&T said in a brief leading up to Friday's hearing.


If ExciteAtHome pulls the plug on its service, the high-speed network will become even less valuable, cable company lawyers contended in Friday's hearing.


"This will kill its value as a going concern," said Cohler, who likened the possible shutdown to a "murder-suicide."


The cable companies have been warning customers during the past few days that the high-speed service might be disrupted, but their contingency plans remain sketchy. Some are offering access to dial-up Internet service _ an unacceptable option for many customers accustomed to high-speed access.


"If they shut down, I will start looking for another service as soon as possible," said AtHome subscriber Todd Ambur of Fremont. "I need Internet service all the time and there is no way I am going back to dial-up modems."


Lauren Adair of Philadelphia said her home business would suffer if she loses AtHome's high-speed service.


"My work would suffer if I had to dial-up every 15 minutes to check my e-mail, and downloading files would take forever," she said.


Cox is "trying to do everything we can to make sure our customers get uninterrupted service," company spokeswoman Susan Leepson said Friday. Cox has about 550,000 AtHome customers, with the largest concentration in the San Diego and Phoenix markets.


Officials at Comcast and AT&T did not return calls seeking additional comment. A statement on the Comcast Web site said that negotiations were continuing and that it was not aware of any planned termination in service.


In a letter to Carlson before the hearing, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell urged the court to provide for an "orderly transition" in the event it decided to discontinue service, "rather than a precipitous shutdown."


Carlson expressed confidence his ruling would force the cable companies and ExciteAtHome to settle on new terms before the network was disconnected.


"It is obvious the cable companies are vitally interested in keeping the service alive," Carlson said. "It is reasonable to assume these sophisticated parties will find a way to share the value of (AtHome's) continued operations."

Offline LePaul

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2001, 12:53:00 AM »
On a side note, how's Adelphia doing?

We have it up here in Maine, I had it for several months and it was horrible.  I read on DSLReports there is a lawsuit in the works...is Adelphia in similar hot water (or close) oh-swammi-Skuzzy?   :D

I'm just glad I went to Verizon DSL!

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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »
This is the latest info I have!

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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2001, 09:19:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by SKurj:
Heyas Skernsk I believe we canucks be ok for the most part.
Rogers took over the @home network here in toronto, my emails etc changed to @Rogers.com

SKurj

My email has changes also to @shaw which is the local cable company.  I have noticed poor download speed and when I popped into the game yesterday to show someone I got disco'd a few times in the ten minutes that I tried to login.

Offline AKIron

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2001, 10:01:00 AM »
As a side note, AT&T got me back up late Sunday night. I've gone back down twice for a few hours each time since.

I've also noticed 2-3 times the amount of activity on my cable modem. This is all external as I disconnected the cable modem from my network to check. Ever since Code Red I've have continous external hits but now it has tripled.

It appears I'm now exposed to more infected servers. Is this because there is less in place to block these attacks or because there are now more PCs on my network/subnet?
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2001, 10:04:00 AM »
Just noticed I had posted message number 99. This is a shameless post to see 100.  ;)
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2001, 11:23:00 AM »
I had AT&T was never down, changeover was 10 min.  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2001, 06:57:00 PM »
Well AT&T is down in the Utah area.
I've been down since saturday and still no internet service    :confused:

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2001, 07:09:00 PM »
Im back!!!! Was out of internet for a few days but now attbi works.

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2001, 07:38:00 PM »
Well Comcast is still chuggin, so far so good   :D

Offline Kieran

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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2001, 08:08:00 PM »
AT&T was cut off. Their bid was rejected by Excite, and when they refused to come back to the table to ante up more dough Excite exercised its right to terminate service.

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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2001, 03:29:00 PM »
Grunherz.. where are you located?

I have the same .com now... in Aspen.