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Offline Maniac

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How many years did it take you to learn and apply the "art" of A.C.M.?
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2003, 01:18:07 PM »
"The art of playing an computer game to its computed limits?"

"The art of gaming the game?"

Nah? i havnt learned the art fully yet...
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2003, 01:50:09 PM »
 NB called my bluff.


 I now confess.

 I've recently discovered  (much like how Rob Petrie "finds" the hiding ottoman in the living room)  that I can efficiently remove that extraneuous landing gear with the effective utilisation of the immovable properties of the tower or hangar roofs.

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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2003, 01:51:13 PM »
Whatever I learnt, I quickly lost in the MA.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2003, 01:52:17 PM »
WB:

Week 1:

Learn to kill things. Kill something and die shortly afterward.

Week 2:

Regularly kill 2 or 3 things then die. I say 'things' because "There is no honor among thieves" and "There is no kill that is not deserving of celebration among newbie online fighter pilots" are both supreme truths. I shot guys parked on the runway and loved every second of it.

Week 3-4:

Getting really good at killing things. Cannot land. Before you laugh, show me your WB 1.01 Fw 190A-4 rating. I am not kidding it took me a long time to learn to land. Then I asked the Naval Aviators living up on the 2nd floor of the house what I was doing wrong. Problems solved. New problem emerges - keeping them off my computer. :)

Week 6:

Killing things and landing. 60 or 70 guys total playing the game and all are 'known'. Only a few fly the Bf 109G-2 or Fw 190A-4 with any regularity. 2 of them - 'drum' and '---v' are like gods. You can't even talk to them. They climb to 15,000' (!!! - unheard of in the early days of WB) and they kill everything. There's another new guy named 'drex'. He hoses 2cm cannon rounds at anything in his front 60 at a range of 500 or less. This is a great way to get guys to stop chasing you. Get near 'drex' and watch him 'go badger' on someone.

Month 6:

For the first time ever, I turn back on a smack talking P-38 in my Fw 190A-4 (he's chasing me at range 2000 and telling me not to run - to really appreciate this you have to know the unique history of the early WB P-38 - made with UFO components collected by the CSM), turn the tables, and blow him to tiny bits. This is a simulation fight that I can still recall in almost pefect detail.

Month 12:

Kind of stumped. I can do fine 1 on 1. But I always end the fight so low on E that then next schmuck to come along - I'm always his *****. Then I read some great 'E' writeups by Fletchmann, which winds up pointing me to Cdr. Shaw's book, which normally would have sent me to new, higher levels of understanding when it comes to ACM, E, etc.

But what really happened was one night I drank Jagermeister almost to the point of brain death. Then I started playing WB. 3 P-51/P-38/etc. chasing me. I fall asleep at computer for ~2 min. (Until my head falls out of my hands - remember falling asleep at a desk? Same thing). I wake up and they are all gone. Later I found out I fell asleep in a shallow climb, they chased, and a 'drex' - detecting climbing target-fixated enemies nearby by using the millions of sensitive olfactory passageways in his nose - came up from behind and ate them all up.

So I could tell you to read Cdr. Shaw's book, but it would be easier to say drink lots of Jagermeister, fly Fw 190s, and get stuff to chase you near a 'drex' (remember - shallow climb, then when they are at about 700 from you and drex is about 800 from them - steepen the climb a little - this gives you a good view over your seat of a 'drex' vaporizing whatever is chasing you), and you will kick total bellybutton for all time.

If you don't drink JM while flying you are forever doomed to the 2nd team.

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2003, 05:45:10 PM »
Don't they prescribe Ridilin for ACM?

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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2003, 06:42:59 PM »
Ummm... through early Apple ][ Flight Simulator with the little bi-plane dogfight mode, Falcon through Falcon 3.0, Knights Of The Sky, Red Baron, DOS AW through AW3, WarBirds and AcesHigh... gotta be better than 20 years. Check my AH rank... I got a lot further to go. =o[

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2003, 07:12:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Westy
Good topic.   Me? I'm doing great. I figured out how to get my wheels up just last week.


In a flakpanzer?

That's pretty damn gud! :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2003, 07:25:24 PM »
Ill let you know after I learn to fly a plane first. I saw on TV its $49 for your first lesson.

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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2003, 10:30:04 PM »
4 years, still no mastery.

I gave up on ACM.  HOs, vulchin, and ack hugging seem to do OK for me.

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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2003, 12:09:16 AM »
two weeks.
Surrounded by suck and underwhelmed with mediocrity.
I'm always right, it just takes some poepl longer to come to that realization than others.
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2003, 12:18:45 AM »
After 10 years I'm not even close to being finished learning ACM or combat tactics.  It's a fun and sometimes frustrating learning process but the payoff is definitely worth it if you take the time to learn.


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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2003, 02:29:34 AM »
lets see only thing i know about acm is ummm. (ohh yeah)G10 i still suck all i do is stay on there 3 at 2k and turn on them as we pass and kill it. for 109F4 different story ive found greatest advangate is SA. i just tricky enemy into thinking im a g10 :) which works very well when i out turn them:D .but other than that is defensive stuff. like 190's. your not an idiot you will know to roll for defnse. so im saying no ACM. SA more important to me.
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2003, 05:16:59 AM »
Huh?

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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2003, 05:17:39 AM »
In Airwarrior it took me a year. And ACM was my style of life to smash enemies.

In AH....well...SA is more important for me than ACM to obtain same goal...smashing bad boys. I only use ACM to kill enemies when I have lost my Energy Advantage.

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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2003, 05:49:38 AM »
I really dont see that much ACM in AH, and thats since beta...

What everyone uses :

Split S
Hammerhead
Scissors
Chandelle
Loop
Zoom climb

You that know the "Art" what more manuvers do you use? I dont see anyone trying to do barrel rolls etc...
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