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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2003, 02:14:10 PM »
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Fair and balanced :).


Well gee, MT, it IS an EDITORIAL.....  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2003, 02:28:14 PM »
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He's not embarassed about lying... but about using the Shorenstein Center as part of his lie.


Now you are the one spewing forth bald-faced lies.  He said his biggest regret was the Harvard letterhead, not his only regret.  It is truly shameful the lengths to which you have resorted, to stir up this tempest in a teapot.  And unlike Franken, I doubt you have the guts to admit you're wrong.

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Pretty simple. This paragon of virtue who deems himself worthy of writing a tome disparaging lying an liars is, himself, a ... guess what?


Admit it, you have not read the book nor do you ever intend to.  Spare those who actually have read it the lectures regarding the content and intent of the book.

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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2003, 06:34:20 PM »
Sure, have it YOUR way then.

How's this sound from a murderer: "My biggest regret is killing the dude with a letter opener from the Shorenstein Center."

Or maybe from a thief: "My biggest regret is that I stole the car while wearing a Shorenstein Center T-shirt."

The bottom line IN HIS OWN WORDS is that his "biggest regret" is merely the vehicle (stationary) he used to perpetrate his lie.

Seems to me a normal guy's biggest regret would be that he LIED.

Yet the author of "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" doesn't consider his own LYING to be worthy of his "biggest regret".

You can dance around it all you like but the guy's own words hoist himself on his own petard.

What is the book about? Well, can we trust his publisher?

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From the Publisher
 
Al Franken, "one of our savviest satirists" (People), takes on the issues, the politicians, and the pundits in one of the most anticipated books of the year.

For the first time since his own classic Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations, Al Franken trains his subversive wit directly on the contemporary political scene. Now, the "master of political humor" (Washington Times) destroys the myth of liberal bias in the media, and exposes how the Right shamelessly tries to deceive the rest of us. Exposing lies is his goal, right?

No one is spared as Al uses the Right's own words against them. Not the Bush administration and their rhetorical hypocrisy.Say, Al, speaking of hypocrisy... Not Ann Coulter and her specious screeds. Not the new generation of talk-radio hosts, and not Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes, and the entire Fox network. This is the book Al Franken fans have been waiting for (and his foes have been dreading). Timely, provocative, unfailingly honest, and always funny, Lies is sure to become the most talked about book of political humor in 2003 and beyond.

Author Biography: Al Franken is the bestselling author of Oh, the Things I Know!, Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations, Why Not Me?, and I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough and Doggone It, People Like Me!


Or maybe check the NY Daily News review? That ought to tell us what it's about!

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Frankly, book's funny
 
Comic's riff on right aims to expose 'lies'
 
By SHERRYL CONNELLY
DAILY NEWS BOOK EDITOR
 
Al Franken's latest book was judged by its cover on Friday when a federal court denied Fox News Channel's request for an injunction blocking its sale because certain words were used in the title.
Now comes the time to consider "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" (Dutton, $24.95) for its content.

Defended as a parody against Fox's claim to the phrase "fair and balanced," which it trademarked in 1998 to describe its coverage, the book is funny.

Not everyone will be laughing, though.

As with his best seller "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations," in "Lies" (already No.1 on Amazon.com's best-seller list) Franken launches a murderous assault on the right.

The book's purpose, in Franken's own words: "I want it to get [President] Bush out of the White House."

What Franken has over his combatants Ann Coulter and Fox talk show hosts Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, all of whom are major targets in "Lies" as well as best-selling authors, is that as a satirist, he's free to roam from fact to fiction. ah.. that explains it! He does this all the time because he has the satirist license!

One section, for instance, is a bawdy tall tale of how former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris was seduced into delivering the 2000 election to Bush by a Republican lobbyist with a talent for finding the erogenous zones.

But he offers as nonfiction the proposition that Coulter and company peddle malicious fiction as truth - and get away with it. Say Al.. what would you call peddling a non-existent survey and presenting it as truth to the recipent?

The chapter heading "Ann Coulter: Nutcase" only suggests the venom Franken spews at "the hysterical diva of the reigning right." Using a research team made available to him through Harvard's Shorenstein Center on the Press, where he was a fellow, he dissects her controversial best seller "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right."

It ain't pretty. Nor is his takedown of O'Reilly, whom he brands as "O'Lie-lly." This year, the two had a large and loud verbal brawl at a publishing event. In his turn, Hannity is labeled a conservative henchman "doing the dirty work for the Bush administration."

Franken is sounding a call to battle in "Lies." "We are the country," he writes, speaking of liberals, "but they control it." He insists, "We have to fight. ... We have to fight them with the truth." And, of course, the most useful weapon in the arsenal of a truth-teller... is a lie! Al, you are SO clever!

In "Lies," Franken, who sometimes delights in referring to himself as merely a comic, stands tall and takes aim. In today's theater of acrimonious politics, he has major box-office appeal.

All of which is to say Franken's performance politics can make it hard to distinguish his vitriol from that of his enemies.   Yeah, no kidding. He's BECOME what he accuses his enemies of being





 
I'm glad he's YOUR hero.. not mine. I also find it really entertaining how some of you can try to defend him in this instance. He screwed up royally; honest "fair and balanced" men would admit it and move on.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2003, 06:45:04 PM »
Alan Funt is a Liar

His son is a big fat liar!

Both have tricked people into doing things on TV and have done it with BALD FACED LIES!

Sick!


















Toad, you have no idea how funny it is that you think this is an issue. Franken is a comedian. His only mistake was in using the letterhead of a real organization to get obviously comical info from a right winger.

If Anne Coulter sent off a note to Clinton asking for assistance on gaining sexual favors ... that would be funny. If she sent it on Republican Party letterhead.. it would funny, but wrong.  Franken was wrong to use the letterhead.

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2003, 07:01:02 PM »
So it's OK for a lying comedian to write a book that "exposes how the Right shamelessly tries to deceive the rest of us"?

Just sounds like simply hypocrisy to me.

Now, funny? That'd be the folks trying to dance around what he did, IMO.

But like I said, choose your own hero.
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2003, 07:03:53 PM »
I do find it funny that you singled out the guy presenting it as opposed to the guy defending it.

It may or may not be an issue... but it is definately an indefensible action.  Yet... someone is still here doing it.  And you missed that because you'd rather just dismiss it in the first place.  Maybe it's of a tad more concern than you're willing to admit?

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2003, 07:45:34 PM »
Oh boy, so now this situation is comparable to theft and murder?!  What else could I possibly say to demonstrate how out of proportion you have blown this in your attempt to smear Franken?

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2003, 07:52:13 PM »
No... not comparable... that's why they were used.. to exagerate the point.

Basically, someone got caught lieing trying to get information for a book about how big of a liar someone else is (satirical?).  Ironic is an understatement.  Indefensible is an understatement.

Dismiss away.  Just don't try to defend it.

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2003, 08:13:24 PM »
Reality check: Franken included the original letter in the book.  It's impudent satire.  Alone it even reads like a joke.  If you consider this some kind of malicious lie, than I can't help you.  Except to tell you that you're humorless, shrill, and more than a little desperate.  As for Franken, he acted irresponsibly, and apologized.  Get over it.
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2003, 09:41:04 PM »
He acted iresponsibly, he got caught, he apologized.

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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2003, 10:14:27 PM »
Who gives a crap.  The fact that Al Franken and Fox News are at the forefront of the supposed ideological battle in this country is pathetic.  Those are the best combatants we could come up with?  I don't watch that Fox News crap and I wouldn't use anything written by Franken to wipe my ass.

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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2003, 10:55:34 PM »
Wonder whether Harvard will sue Al Franken for associating their name with bogus correspondence by mail, (if he sent a letter.)  It's illegal to perpretrate a hoax (false advertising or solicitation) using stamped mail that goes through the post office.  He probably could get in real trouble for that alone.  US post office takes a dim view of bogus mail.  Franken left himself wide open to a federal charge by doing that.

He most likely won't get in trouble with the P.O. because there was no mention of money in the solicitation.  What Franken did, was probably more akin to unlicensed usage of someone else's copyright (the letterhead,) so Harvard's licensing office will want royalties off the book, if the book exists.

Of course, it's poor timing for Franken to be playing childish pranks on the attorney general, but that's what Franken is, a kid who never grew up.  


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I haven't been watching the news much lately.  Is this a big deal on the FOX news?





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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2003, 11:03:55 PM »
Is this like Franken mis-representing himself Rush's assistant in "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot".  I found that bit particularly amusing.  Toad is making the obvious mistake of taking this book seriously.  Regardless of what the Times or the publisher says about the book, read it's flippin' title...how could you possibly take it seriously?


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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2003, 11:16:56 PM »
I'm just curious to find out how accurate and truthful his book is.
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2003, 12:25:19 AM »
Heh!  Al's satirical book may be laugh-less, but the resulting energy expenditure by conservatives keen on disreputing his book as a serious political text damn sure isn't.

Toad, you are Don Quixote, and Al Franken is your Windmill.