Author Topic: Most Kills in One Sortie? (Read 3601 times)

Halo · « **Reply #60 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:46:05 AM »

I'm the tard, Mini D, and it was fun watching you racking up that score. Running vulchers out of ammo is another of those controversial gaming questions. I knew you'd get another charge out of chasing you into the cv ack.

This is another example of how complicated scoring questions can be. How skilled are the opponents/victims? Are they toying with attackers or trying desperately to survive?

No matter how fervently particpants discuss the merits of one approach over another, Aces High will always remain a cyber playground where each participant determines how he or she will game the game.

Regarding vulching, I'm always impressed on many fields in Combat Theater where attackers will sometimes wait for opponents to take off from fields and gain commensurate altitude before engaging instead of just gangbanging to rack up scores where no apparent field capture is intended.

Likewise they often and disengage after a good duel when a worthy foe runs out of ammo or fuel.

But that is just another aspect of Aces High.

This thread is becoming really interesting for the tactics required to achieve high scores in one sortie. One of the most impressive so far is the extreme conservation of ammo, e.g., expending only a few cannon shells at a time for kills.

Creamo · « **Reply #61 on:** August 31, 2003, 11:16:31 AM »

Halo, I watched the whole film and this thread is indeed becoming really interesting for the tactics required to achieve high scores in one sortie. A tard that would up, and up, and up to be demolished by a P40?

I'm the tard, Mini D, and it was fun watching you racking up that score. Running vulchers out of ammo is another of those controversial gaming questions.

Huh? You beat up that guys fist with your nose?

Fool.

ccvi · « **Reply #62 on:** August 31, 2003, 12:56:21 PM »

As soon as all vulchers run out of ammo the vulchee has won the fight for his field. Defence is again able to stop troops from taking it. It's a perfectly valid tacitic to follow the purpose of the game ("Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High.") It's only a bad thing in the mind of a few score potatos.

Playing according to the defined purpose and racking up high scores in some categories are mutually exclusive.

Swager · « **Reply #63 on:** August 31, 2003, 05:41:37 PM »

2 without rearming, 1 was a proxy.

Had 3 in a row but that was with 2 re-arms. Two were vulches, and 1 was a proxy.

Halo · « **Reply #64 on:** August 31, 2003, 07:11:19 PM »

Thanks, ccvi, you get the point clearly.

Creamo, why louse up a good post with the epitaph "Fool"?

There are many other threads about field capture. The point in this scoring thread is that one way to defend fields against unfavorable odds is to exhaust the attackers by whatever means possible.

And one effect of that might be some gimme or freebie scores. Nothing intrinsically wrong or right with that -- it's a matter of tactics and strategy.

It helps demonstrate the limitations of ammo alone in achieving high scores in one sortie. Ten kills of an easy target. Not 15 or 20, "just" 10. Makes you really appreciate higher scores that presumably are mostly not from stationary targets.

If I were Mini D attacking me, I would have done exactly what he did. Take what the foe gives you and try to survive. He got a high score and I got some more personal info for this thread.

Few things are more personally fulfilling than helping successfully defend underdog fields under overwhelming attack. The main guarantee is that if you defend predictably as expected, the field soon will be lost.

This also confirms that after this thread is completed, hopefully showing something like the max number of kills than can be expected in one sortie including vulching, the most impressive thread will be a new one on max number of fighter air to air kills against only other fighters -- no attack, no bombers, no vulchers, no aa, no ships, nothing except other fighters airborne and ready to fight.

Matter of fact, I'll start that thread now.

h345 · « **Reply #65 on:** August 31, 2003, 09:25:22 PM »

i had 9 kills in a N1K2-J and landed it

Mini D · « **Reply #66 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:39:44 PM »

LOL! Halo... that's one of the biggest loads of trash I've ever read.

I usually record my flights and was cutting out the vulch session with you being the willing victim and noticed you'd come up in an M16 from the VH (which was still up) prior to launching in the A6M2. That would have been smart.

A p-40 is no threat at a field. Absolutely zero. My presence there had nothing to do with capturing the field... only vulching. Basically, you rewarded that behavior. Basically, it's people like you that somehow grandize yourselves as some kind of strategic masterminds when all you really are is targets. Take the target away and there's nothing to kill. You either bore the vulcher or the lone P-40 manages to take out... what... 3 stuctures using his guns?

Sheesh. Call it what you want... as long as you don't try to play it off as strategically, tactically or even remotely smart.

But... thanks for being there. Guys like you make vulching worthwhile.

MiniD

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #67 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:58:13 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Halo
Running vulchers out of ammo is another of those controversial gaming questions.

LOL OMG what has AH become, how bout you make it your goal to actually shoot him down instead...

WTG MiniD!!!

Halo · « **Reply #68 on:** August 31, 2003, 11:25:24 PM »

Hmmm, spectating while a P-40 vulched my stationary Zeke has gotten a longer life than I expected. As I watched the vulcher zoom in time and time again, I wondered and decided to test the following:

1. This is a good thread experiment -- how many kills can a vulcher get of a stationary aircraft target on the runway before running out of ammo?
Answer: 9 in a P-40 (10 including the ship ack finale)

2. Would the vulcher realize the target was just sitting there, might be a trap or some other ruse, and go on to more productive things?
Answer: No.

3. Would the vulcher fight against other targets (another plane eventually chased him) or try to land the gimme kills?
Answer: Land the gimme kills.

4. Would the vulcher post these gimme kills in this thread?
Answer: Yes.

5. Would the vulcher be more happy or unhappy about the easy kills?
Answer: Unhappy.

6. Would the vulcher mention the victim's name?
Answer: No (just "Some Tard").

7. Would the vulcher accept or understand the tactic?
Answer: No.

8. Would the vulcher think if the victim was serious about catching him, the victim would choose to chase him in a slow Zeke and then fly into cv ack?
Answer: Yes.

9. Would the vulcher understand he was the subject of an experiment and accept that without maligning the test?
Answer: No.

10. Where should the vulcher's flight film be sent?
Answer: Candid Camera.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #69 on:** August 31, 2003, 11:58:42 PM »

WOW!

So do you, like ever actually get to play the game in between all that philophising...

Anywall I'm sure Creamo will appreciate your last post more than I....

Mini D · « **Reply #70 on:** September 01, 2003, 12:10:36 AM »

LOL Halo!

OMFG... I can't believe you posted that. I'll just reply with this:

Spawning in an attempt to run someone out of ammo is stupid.

MiniD

eskimo2 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 01, 2003, 09:46:28 AM »

24 in a Chog on one tank of gas and ammo.

With re-arm, 41 in a spit-V. About 6 re-arms in like 1.5 hours or so.

Most with no ammo; 6 or 7 in a 109G-10. Fought and killed 2 planes, then de-acked a base, got 1 or 2 vulch kills, then was out of ammo. Ended up with 10 kills and the belly ache from laughing so hard. Dudes were crackin up trying to avoid my mock vulches with no ammo!

Most from a bug/glitch; over 10 in a C-47!

eskimo

eskimo2 · « **Reply #72 on:** September 01, 2003, 09:57:47 AM »

Last night in the CT, I got 7 kills with the Yak 9T's 37 mm. 32 rounds, 7 kills. Died trying to furball with the single 12.7.

eskimo

Halo · « **Reply #73 on:** September 01, 2003, 10:02:14 AM »

Good ones, Eskimo2, including the mock vulching and Yak-9T cannon.

Halo · « **Reply #74 on:** September 01, 2003, 10:25:29 AM »

(taxiing Zeke to end of runway, sitting there with engine idling, looking up and back at vulcher suddenly yanking and banking to set up the swoop)

(opens the canopy, pastes some more brightly colored feathers on his wingtips, tosses a rope with a large treble hook on to the runway behind him)

(yanks hook once) a guy with 5,443 posts says to a guy with 331 posts: "So do you, like ever actually get to play the game in between all that philophising..."

(yanks hook again) a guy with 2,932 posts whose avatar shows him bashing his head against his computer screen, who posted in a top kill thread 10 mostly freebie kills against a stationary target, who "usually records" his flights, posts the film of his 10-kill accomplishment against the stationary target on the runway.

Ask not for whom the zeke trolls -- it trolls for thee.