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Offline skernsk

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2001, 09:50:00 AM »
I read something about Barges..still no screenies though.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2001, 10:44:00 AM »
You guys were talking about props and supersonic flight?  I real rec.aviation.homebuilt daily and Corky Scott, a nice guy and very intelligent one at that, touched on that subject yesterday.  Here's part of what he said...

"To me, the big monkey wrench would be the prop.  During WWII, a handful of fighters nibbled around the edge of the sonic region but never managed to actually go beyond, despite several who thought they had,
for several reasons.

First, the airfoils themselves were all non swept.  Not good when you are trying to exceed the speed of sound.  Plus the airfoils (with the exception of the P-51B and up series) were not designed for close to
mach flight.  This meant that when the airplane approached Mach 1, the airflow over the wing and other appendages began to develop shockwaves long before the airplane itself actually got there.  When this
happened, drag went up to the point where more power was needed, which leads us to.

Second, the prop.  Props weren't designed to exceed Mach 1 and as the airplane approached that speed, the prop itself began to build up those same shockwaves that the wings and other surfaces had.  This increased the drag of the prop to the point where thrust petered out.  So no matter how hard the pilot hammered on the throttle (don't really think anyone did, any pilot in a fighter going this fast was REALLY scared and likely wasn't thinking about going faster) the prop just could not develop any more thrust.

So the fighter had flown up against a wall of drag, and so had the prop.

The way around this, in theory, would be to design a scimitar shaped prop blade and sweep the wings back and design them for Mach + flight."

In summary, that prop is the biggest obstacle as the shock waves set in.

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2001, 11:00:00 AM »
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Originally posted by LePaul:
You guys were talking about props and supersonic flight?  I real rec.aviation.homebuilt daily and Corky Scott, a nice guy and very intelligent one at that, touched on that subject yesterday.  Here's part of what he said...

"To me, the big monkey wrench would be the prop.  During WWII, a handful of fighters nibbled around the edge of the sonic region but never managed to actually go beyond, despite several who thought they had,
for several reasons.

First, the airfoils themselves were all non swept.  Not good when you are trying to exceed the speed of sound.  Plus the airfoils (with the exception of the P-51B and up series) were not designed for close to
mach flight.  This meant that when the airplane approached Mach 1, the airflow over the wing and other appendages began to develop shockwaves long before the airplane itself actually got there.  When this
happened, drag went up to the point where more power was needed, which leads us to.

Second, the prop.  Props weren't designed to exceed Mach 1 and as the airplane approached that speed, the prop itself began to build up those same shockwaves that the wings and other surfaces had.  This increased the drag of the prop to the point where thrust petered out.  So no matter how hard the pilot hammered on the throttle (don't really think anyone did, any pilot in a fighter going this fast was REALLY scared and likely wasn't thinking about going faster) the prop just could not develop any more thrust.

So the fighter had flown up against a wall of drag, and so had the prop.

The way around this, in theory, would be to design a scimitar shaped prop blade and sweep the wings back and design them for Mach + flight."

In summary, that prop is the biggest obstacle as the shock waves set in.


I read an artilce a couple years ago talking about 2 instances during WWII that prop planes broke the sound barrier.  I'm sorry I can't remember the source, but they referred to he first time as "unofficial" where a P47 had supposedly done it diving away from a gaggle of Germans.  The other was a Spitfire (model?/pilot?) that actually did it but broke up (pilot survived).  Dunno if any of it was true.

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2001, 04:36:00 PM »
i dont know about prop planes breaking the sound barrier but here is a good picture of a F/A-18C breaking the sound barrier.

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2001, 04:44:00 PM »
Alright you thread hijackers!  Back in your holes!

Please send us the Ki-84, Ki-44, Ki.100, or J2M3 Japanese fighter in 1.09!    Or the DY4 "Judy" dive bomber.

Aces High needs more Japanese aircraft.

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2001, 04:55:00 PM »
When you say 'more', you mean 'less', right?