Wingless; Again

[StSanta]

Not enough  

Heh, loved yer whine Hangtime  



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"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Hangtime]

Dunno how many are 'standing down' tho many of my squaddies, normally dedicated P51 pilots; are often seen flying jugs and P38's.. stated reason is the fragile wings on the pony. I sure spend less time on line due to the condition.. who want's to get enraged by a system hiccup?  

I really did not intend to start a rant on the pony or the other FM's in the sim.. tho I think we've all heard of similar problems in the F4 and serveral other platforms as well. As stated earlier.. just a friendly 'nudge'.  

The best news of note from all the threads was Rips description of the problem in the F4.. notably that when he relogged; the problem went away. RAM had a similar issue.. his cleared up when he got some new joystick hardware, I believe.

In any case, whats being highlighted is that it may be a local issue of some type.. and I'll continue to look at my system for a solution, while we all wait for the next revision.

Lets not beat on HTC.. they've acknowledged that it needs looking into.. and that's a good thing.. and I'd rather they do it because we asked 'em to as gents.. not because of rants and threats.

Thanks Pyro... yer new BBQ is about ready fer delivery  

Hang

[Vulcan]

Don't worry Hang, 190s don't eat the wings off them 51s anyway, just the fusalage.

So it don't matter if they drop off.

 :-)

[bloom25]

I fly the p51 a lot myself, but I can't say I've really experienced a problem with the wings coming off.  (I think I've lost 2 sets of wings in the last 2 tours.)  Both times was when in a dive >500 mph and attempting to roll the plane.

I personally think the problem may be due to stick spikes.  My P Pro is just rock solid, though I've pretty much worn it out - lots of slack.  

You guys sound like you often lose wings at 300 mph while pulling only minor G's.  I've never lost a set of wings unless I was going REALLY fast and tried to roll and/or pull up violently.  I think there is more to this problem than plane modelling...



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[Spatula]

I fly the Mustang almost exlcusivly, i had the wings rip a few times rip before, only one i thought was a bit dodgy, the rest i was well in compression and locked in a uncontrollable speed dive +520 MPH. or when the stang comes out of compression ya have to be real carefull when levelling out.
I think in total i have around 2-3 wing pops a tour, and say, 1 of which may be questionable. It could be a spiky JS thing, my 1 dont spike really.

The thing that bugs me is the no buffeting before compression  

Splatula  

[Wardog]

Voss Bro........

Where ya been,miss our late night sorties.

As for the p51, i manage to keep the wing on mine. Not sure what is happening with everyone else. Ive had no problem with wing departing the p51.

Is it possible that some of you guys have the stick scaling up to high,or dampening to low? This would cause wings to rip off if the stick is to sensitive?

What i did notice was wing would rip off in earlier versions if you had any Ord or DTs on wings and pulled up. But this is not so now. I carry my DTs allmost till there empty only dropping them if i end up turning with an 190 or another p51..


Dog out......

[milnko]

Sheeeeeit Hangtime,
Grab a beer.
Lemme tell ya a little story.

Last night, the Fat Drunk Bastards were flyin' for the darkside (ROOKS) and as I miss wingin' with dem slobs from my ole Bish days, (yes I was even a knit once too) I hooked up fer some sorties.

Now it's late at night, real late, an' we'd 'bout kilt off all them nasty, sheep-lovin' knits who'd we'd hadda drag kickin' and screamin' like lil' girls into the Northwest corner of da map.

So Fatty, Creamo, and I decide we need some mo' victims, we attempt to draw some bishes to A26 with various insults and bribes from their fight with the knits that was goin' on da other side o the map.

Anyways, I saddled up my 190A-5 and headed out to A26, figurin' they's see me and send somethin' my way.

I arrive high above A26, and start circlin' and pacin' like it's ten minutes to quitin' time on a Friday afternoon, just  waitin' fer somethin' with a pulse to show, when I spy with my gov'mint issue MK1 eye a Bish Spitter rollin' from 26.

So I roll my 190A-5 onto it's back like a virgin on 'er wedding night, and start pullin' back on stick, ta commence my world famous "Lawn-Dart" dive for which I am reknown for.

I am directly over the Spitter, waitin' fer his break, so's I can roll into him, when I hear this god-awful creaking ripping sound, ya know the one...same noise as when you've been constipated two weeks and it finally brown caps.

I realize, I'm fittin' to lose parts of the ole girl, now Herr Speer mighta done wonders with production numbers, but my gut sinkin' feelin' is quality control has suffered.

I begin to pull hard on the joystick, (no comments from the peanut gallery or sexual innuendos from ya'll)

And what should happen? Lost both my wings, now normally I wouldn't care, cuz' hell they's just 'xtra weight anyways, like my flaps, and rudder, but I start to worry this time, cuz I'm thinkin' I mighta had an audience.

'kay so now I'm still flyin'...sorta, but I'm checkin' 6 real hard, not cuz I'm worried the Spitter is there, but to make sure no one saw my attack on 'im.

Unfortunatly Fatty and Creamo saw it.

Talk about embarrassin'  

 

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[Vulcan]

 

Originally posted by milnko:

Unfortunatly Fatty and Creamo saw it.

Talk about embarrassin'    

Not as embarassin as get nailed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and - oh you get it - by yours truely despite all your buddies being around muahahahhahahahahaha!

[Hangtime]

LOL.. yah .. I'm not convinced we got a FM problem... and I've ordered a new joystick. However, it's happeneing often enough, and to enough diffrent people in different planes as well as the pony.. folks that are good sticks and understand their FM's to boot that it warrants a look-see; and that's all we can ask for.  

 

I am directly over the Spitter, waitin' fer his break, so's I can roll into him, when I hear this god-awful creaking ripping sound, ya know the one...same noise as when you've been constipated two weeks and it finally brown caps.

ROFLMAO.. yah.. been in both cockpits. I know exactly whacha mean.  

 

And what should happen? Lost both my wings, now normally I wouldn't care, cuz' hell they's just 'xtra weight anyways, like my flaps, and rudder, but I start to worry this time, cuz I'm thinkin' I mighta had an audience.

Oh; man.. too much. My side hurts from laffin.. great post Milenko. Salute; sir!

Hang

[milnko]

 

Originally posted by Vulcan:
Not as embarassin as get nailed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and - oh you get it - by yours truely despite all your buddies being around muahahahhahahahahaha!

Nope sorry there Spock, that didn't embarrass me at all.  

I'll agree with everyone when they say you very good in the 190 Vulcan.

And when they said your a braggart.  

You act like it's some big deal to shoot me down. Hell, I been shot down a MILLION times.   You got me 4 times last night, so what's your point? I mean besides the one your hat covers up? I think you forget my friends weren't there everytime too.  

You see, I win either way, cuz I get to learn sumthin' from every fight  

But I do question how you can fly as well as you do, seems to me it's a small wonder that you can find the time to take your eyes off the mirror and away from admiring yourself long enough to play this game???????

 

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[Vulcan]

 

Originally posted by milnko:

You see, I win either way, cuz I get to learn sumthin' from every fight  

But I do question how you can fly as well as you do, seems to me it's a small wonder that you can find the time to take your eyes off the mirror and away from admiring yourself long enough to play this game???????

I keep my monitor nice and polished, so I can see my reflection in it.

Whats the point of flying against people if ya can't rub their noses in it <grin>. Might as well go play Falcon 4 if I cannot kick my opponents when they're down!

[Voss]

 

Originally posted by Wardog:
Voss Bro........

Where ya been,miss our late night sorties.

(snipped)

Dog out......

Yeah, I miss 'en too. Don't worry, we'll team up and hunt those late night turds again.  

I'm working 80 hour weeks and I'm upgrading equipment to 21st century standards. I've got a new wireless modem installed, and I'm looking at USB controls. I'll be back after another $500, or so.  

Besides, I have this fantastic terrain editor to play with. heh...

Out...

[eddiek]

Don't see what you guys are upset about....I've broke the wings off every damn bird we got in the inventory, and no, not always from obvious overstress.
Just this morning, saw a B26 below me about 3K, started down in my trusty P47D-30, dive flaps on, throttle at idle, controls crossed to keep IAS at 250, TAS at about 270, got right about the guy, less than 1K, and SNAP!
Goodbye wings, ye treacherous bastages, leaving me in such a precarious position.  Tried flapping big he-man arms (did no good  
), released pucker hold on the seat, and hit the silk.
Have experienced wing failures in situations where the wings could not have been overstressed at all, but they went anyway.  As I have learned more in this sim, I have really watched how many g's I put on the old bird, and lately, have been seeing wing failures at 2-3.5 g's and airspeed well below what would be considered too high.
Beats me what is happening.
But now I know where all the 'Stangs went.  Knew I hadn't seen many at all since the new patch and the P47 hit the arena.

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[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 08-11-2000).]

[Maniac]

P51 is my ride 95% of the time, i have no problems with wings ripping at all.

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[wizzer]

Hang just to update you what RL exposure I've had on wings coming off....none.  

But My dad flew ponies for the 8th in the ETO and logged over 1000 hours in the 51. I asked the question with regards to any memories of the pony wings weak or coming off... His comments where "None to his knowledge and the pony was a tough bird". He did also explain, that him and his squaddies were very careful not to reach any speed closed to compressability(sp,word?) and would avoid those situations at all cost for fear of overstressing the AF.

I explained the situation in which my pony wings depart most often (500 ias, low gs, rolling) With laughter he said "Thats the difference between RL and your sim, we didn't get close to that stress".  

Bottom line, My geuss is that the way we fly is soooo different from the RL WWII pilots approach, its not really compareable.

wizzer

PS. Dad just called back and mentioned that in July 1945 the NA rep said the redline for the G meter was 6.3 and that any down or up drafts that would get the wing load to 8.3 Gs would cause wing faliure. He wasn't clear on how much damge would be done . IE..wingtip or wing coming off altogether. Also if anyone is interested my dad was 45 years old when I was born! LOL!!!!! So I'm not that old!!